All B/R update speculation.

[Arsenal]

sfm

Yes, but I wanted to know if HSCK knew.

[FTW]

A: Land, Vise
B: 3 damage to the face, land
A: Wasteland opponent/keep Stifle up
B: 3 damage to the face
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Quite a solid, evasive damage output for 1 generic mana while totally raping control and being immune to common removal

True, but Legacy is a fast format and most decks have 1-drops. Plus, cards like Aether Vial and DRS mean opponent may dodge Stifle/Wasteland and still play 2 spells by turn 2.

A: Land, Vise
B: 3 damage, land, DRS/Vial/1-drop
A: Wasteland/Stifle
B: 2 damage, 1 land dies, drop something else

Sure, those cards can be Forced or Dazed to maintain board control. But simply casting them still reduces hand size and gets you out of Visegrip. otoh, T1 Delver in that same situation will continue to be damage output.

When you factor in that people run FoW and Chrome Mox (Hymning themselves), mulligan, etc., Vise does even less damage. T1 Vise is still amazing. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying Delver with blue protection and the same disruption suite is probably better. I guess you can argue that Delver flipping has variance, more likely to flip by T3 after a cantrip, but at most you can argue it's only a marginally worse turn 1 play and still a much better topdeck.

As for type Artifact, blue decks can still counter it, GB decks can Abrupt Decay it, combo decks can outrace it and aggro decks can just drop creatures under it. Combined with disruption, probably strong against combo and pure control, less good against tempo and aggro.

IMO the best argument to not unban Vise is that Delver decks can abuse it. But in terms of power level I don't think it's any more broken in this format than Delver.

Can they errata Delver to a 2/2?

[Rizso]

Black vise is quite unfair card when you can play many of them there are for sure gonna be hands where someone is gonan get double or triple vise turn 1 from sollands / rituals.

[Lemnear]

I'm more concerned with Vise being Delver 5-8 and/or a colorless super-Lightning Bolt

[KobeBryan]

I'm more concerned with Vise being Delver 5-8 and/or a colorless super-Lightning Bolt

Its too.easy to go to top deck mode in legacy

[HSCK]

Yes, but I wanted to know if HSCK knew.

Mystic, Delver, TNN.....Sylvan Basilisk.

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Can't this thread just stop for like 2 1/2 more hours until this shit drops? Broncos are already screwing my birthday up, can't I just get a little bit here? Shit on a shingle.

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[Dzra]

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Thank you so much! I haven't smiled that big all day!

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[Arsenal]

Mystic, Delver, TNN.....Sylvan Basilisk.

Are you sure? I don't remember Bob Huang saying so, and we all know that Bob knows best, right pal?

[JPoJohnson]

F5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5

[Megadeus]

You'll be F5ing for another 45 minutes...

[JPoJohnson]

I thought it was suppose to be released at 12 est?


Boo.

[Megadeus]

Yeah. It's 11:20 lol

[[SLAYER]chaos]

I half want Brainstorm to be banned just to see what happens.

[JPoJohnson]

Yeah. It's 11:20 lol

I'm retarded... my computer was set to the wrong time hahahaha.

[kiblast]

Modern
Deathrite Shaman is banned. Bitterblossom and Wild Nacatl are unbanned.

Standard, Legacy, Vintage
No changes

BAM!

[feline]

Wow, they actually banned Deathrite in Modern, didn't expect that to actually happen. No changes Legacy, as per the usual.

[Shawon]

Well, I only lost a Temple of Deceit in my bet that TNN would be banned. There's always next announcement.

[Purgatory]

Holy shit, bring out those tinfoil hats!