All B/R update speculation.

[Arsenal]

I guess it's the understandable reaction to building a deck and it taking a serious hit with a banning shortly after. Stopped modern after the second ban-everything-that-can-be-used-in-combo-or-control round

Exclusing the Legacy staples like Ooze, Goyf, Abrupt Decay, Bob, Liliana, fetchlands, Thoughtseize, etc, Modern Rock is really cheap to build. Like, you need a couple Dismember, a few $7 shocklands, and some narrow $2 Modern sideboard cards. I don't understand why you'd want to sell off Bobs, Goyfs, Lilis, fetches, Thoughtseizes, Oozes, etc just because you can't play Rock in Modern anymore. It doesn't make any sense from a financial standpoint, nor from a Legacy standpoint.

[Deadpool09]

gosh i was hoping to have tnn banned.

[Mr. Froggy]

Yeah I wish they'd unban some things to add some diversity to the format, I'd really like to see Skullclamp come off the list in order to make Goblins, Elves and Affinity stronger in the metagame.

Skullclamp is never coming off the banned list.

[Julian23]

Skullclamp. Out of all things. Skullclamp?! Chances are you never played with it. Normaly that would be fine but not for Skullclamp. The card is so absurd, we're actually coming close to the very outter limits of Magic once we touch that card.

[Kage]

I really wanted to get into modern for several reasons, but these hamfisted bannings and forced format shaping has totally killed my interest.

I mean, you can't reasonably expect a decent format where Goyf, Bob, Clique, Delver, Geist, Nacatl, Snapcaster etc. are free to roam, yet Preordain is banned, Counterspell is considered broken, and all the spell-based combo decks are banned. I mean, not to be an elistist but is it really that better to lose to twin t5 than lose to grapeshot t4?

[Arsenal]

We still don't care for control or combo to be a healthy part of the modern metagame.

Control in the form of UWR and GR Tron are competitive and represent a fair portion of the meta. Combo in the form of Twin, Scapeshift, Living End and Ad Nauseam are competitive as well.

[testing32]

You miss the point: powerful cards like LED, Brainstorm, Wasteland, Force of Will, Dark Ritual and S&T are the reason people prefer Legacy over formats like modern. Its like entering Vintage and complain that a broken card like Gush is legal and available as a 4-off (I remind that vintage is defined by restrictions and not bannings so picking cards like Tinker isn't an adequate example)

It's all about where you draw the line. Gush isn't legal in legacy but, if it was, you could bring up the same argument to keep it legal. Doesn't mean the format is healthy.

[Arsenal]

I really wanted to get into modern for several reasons, but these hamfisted bannings and forced format shaping has totally killed my interest.

I mean, you can't reasonably expect a decent format where Goyf, Bob, Clique, Delver, Geist, Nacatl, Snapcaster etc. are free to roam, yet Preordain is banned, Counterspell is considered broken, and all the spell-based combo decks are banned. I mean, not to be an elistist but is it really that better to lose to twin t5 than lose to grapeshot t4?

If you're uninterested in Modern, great, there's a format that can satisfy your Magic needs... it's called Legacy. Why do Legacy players insist on trying to make Modern into Legacy-lite? Why do Legacy players cry about not being able to play Ponder, Dread Return, JtMS, etc in Modern when they can just play with those cards in Legacy? Why can't Legacy be Legacy and Modern be Modern?

[JPoJohnson]

So after playing the format for a month, I just got booted out of Modern. Great. Anyone want a worthless Rock deck? I can not even be bothered to strip it for parts, I am just going to sell it whole and move on. Lesson learnt, stick with Legacy.

I'm not sure I see why people are going so extreme in saying that BGx is dead in Modern... I think time will show that it's not, but I'm sorry for the big ban to your deck.

[Patrunkenphat7]

I'm pretty sure Wizards has no idea how Legacy works. Why the heck won't they unban some cards like Earthcraft?

[HammafistRoob]

+1 To Arsenal's last comment.

Also, if you don't play Modern don't fucking post about it, you make yourself look stupid and waste everyone's time by having us read garbage.

[Arsenal]

I'm pretty sure Wizards has no idea how Legacy works. Why the heck won't they unban some cards like Earthcraft?

Wizards doesn't care about Legacy. I thought that this became clear to the community since they tightened the Reserve List policy a few years back.

[Nielsie]

Hi freshman! May get your head out of your ass and realize that I look at recent results worldwide and not some specific, hand-picked US tournaments what partly were held more than 9 months ago, to determine how a deck, that maybe less than 3% of the players piloted in those respective tournaments, performs overall.

According to your lresented data and recent SCG results, Meerfolk had a sharp decline as well ... so that means that TNN HURT meerfolk as well, as you stricktly outruled any other factors in regards to goblins?!

I think you miss the point. A deck isn't dead when it is still able to win tournaments. Goblins was more than capable to win tournaments. Like I said it will never be as popular as it used to be because the meta can hate it out very easily. Right now this is happening, but not because of Goblins, but because of TNN. All the hate on TNN is detrimental for a deck as Goblins.

I only gave some results of big SCG events, but Goblins was a winning strategy globaly, it was performing well in Europe and even Japan. In August or September it was a DTB here on The Source. So please enlighten me and explain to me: "TNN did not push out Maverick, Goblins or Aggro Loam ... those decks were dead long before."

Let me also iterate that all those decks that only have like a 3% representation on Tournaments are actualy the thing that seperates Legacy from modern. Did you ever go to a modern event? Even a Grand Prix is the same decks round after round. You play against BGx 3 times, 2 Affinity decks, 2 UWr control decks and 2 Splinter Twins. Impressive... The flavor of Legacy is that you are not facing Blade control and Patriot every round. Lately this is deteriorating into exactly that and I blame TNN and somewhat Brainstorm for this.

[EpicLevelCommoner]

If you're uninterested in Modern, great, there's a format that can satisfy your Magic needs... it's called Legacy. Why do Legacy players insist on trying to make Modern into Legacy-lite? Why do Legacy players cry about not being able to play Ponder, Dread Return, JtMS, etc in Modern when they can just play with those cards in Legacy? Why can't Legacy be Legacy and Modern be Modern?

Although I definitely disagree with ya regarding True-Name Nemesis, I agree with ya here. +1

[Patrunkenphat7]

If you're uninterested in Modern, great, there's a format that can satisfy your Magic needs... it's called Legacy. Why do Legacy players insist on trying to make Modern into Legacy-lite? Why do Legacy players cry about not being able to play Ponder, Dread Return, JtMS, etc in Modern when they can just play with those cards in Legacy? Why can't Legacy be Legacy and Modern be Modern?

It looks like a lot of people feel this way, but the problem is that Modern is supported by a PTQ season, a PT, more Grand Prixs, and even the Modern FNM option, whereas Legacy is not. I play both formats, but my reason for playing Modern is the GPs and PTQs (and the Modern PT I played in). There is definitely a reason why you can't just play Legacy if you don't like the Modern banned list if you are a competitive Magic player.

[Arsenal]

It looks like a lot of people feel this way, but the problem is that Modern is supported by a PTQ season, a PT, more Grand Prixs, and even the Modern FNM option, whereas Legacy is not. I play both formats, but my reason for playing Modern is the GPs and PTQs (and the Modern PT I played in). There is definitely a reason why you can't just play Legacy if you don't like the Modern banned list if you are a competitive Magic player.

You just have to accept that the SCG Opens and occassional BoM-style tourneys are going to be the best you're going to get in terms of major-prize support for a Legacy event. Prize payout for Legacy events aren't anything to scoff at either; SCG Opens award 1st place $2,400 for a 1-day 250-300 person tourney whereas GPs award 1st place $4,000 for a 2-day 1,200-2,400 person tourney. BoM? Their prize support is absolutely bonkers, imo the best any tourney has to offer.

I also play both formats competitively and really enjoy Legacy for when I want to Brainstorm, SFM, Jace and Modern for when I want to Sphinx's Revelation for 4+, Cryptic Command and Ajani Vengeant -7 my opponent's lands. Each format offers me a unique experience that can't be replicated in the other.

[clavio]

If you're uninterested in Modern, great, there's a format that can satisfy your Magic needs... it's called Legacy. Why do Legacy players insist on trying to make Modern into Legacy-lite? Why do Legacy players cry about not being able to play Ponder, Dread Return, JtMS, etc in Modern when they can just play with those cards in Legacy? Why can't Legacy be Legacy and Modern be Modern?

They announced modern as an eternal format that starts with 8th edition. When people heard that it was reasonable to expect that it would be like a lot Legacy except at a lower cost barrier since you wouldn't have to buy Dual Lands. It's reasonable that these players would be ticked off when cards like preordain are banned. At that point the options are to either keep playing very expensive Legacy decks or a (perceived) inferior format in Modern.

[Arsenal]

They announced modern as an eternal format that starts with 8th edition. When people heard that it was reasonable to expect that it would be like a lot Legacy except at a lower cost barrier since you wouldn't have to buy Dual Lands. It's reasonable that these players would be ticked off when cards like preordain are banned. At that point the options are to either keep playing very expensive Legacy decks or a (perceived) inferior format in Modern.

It's completely unreasonable to think that an Eternal format that begins with 8th Edition/Mirrodin would be "a lot like Legacy, but cheaper because no ABUR duals". There are so many incredibly powerful and essential cards in Legacy that pre-date 8th Edition/Mirrodin it's not even close. Why anyone would think Modern = no-duals Legacy just because they heard the words "Eternal format" is beyond me.

[DragoFireheart]

Why can't Legacy be Legacy and Modern be Modern?

Because we want a format where the dual lands get reprinted.

[Arsenal]

Because we want a format where the dual lands get reprinted.

Due to the Reserved List, that will not happen. Although, the majority of the complaints I hear from Legacy players about Modern is not about the ABUR duals, it's about not being able to play with Ponder, Dread Return, Stoneforge Mystic, JtMS, etc. Essentially, they dislike the Modern banned list.

But why? They can just play Dread Return in Legacy if they really want to play with it soooo badly. Ponder? In Legacy, there are multiple tempo decks and multiple combo decks that run it as an auto 4-of. Stoneforge Mystic? 3 out of the top 5 Legacy decks run a playset.

If all of these Legacy players want to play with their Legacy staples... just stick to Legacy. If they want to branch out and try something different, give Modern a shot. If they don't like Modern, fine. But stop complaining about not being able to play with Ponder in Modern when you have the ability to do so in Legacy.