[Primer] Elves!

[Zombie]

100% Legit play, that's why Quirion Ranger is a 4 of.

Went through it on the table. 100% legit, 100% absurd, 100% part of the long, long list of reasons I love this deck.

[venice]

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Heritage Druid
4 Nettle Sentinel
2 Dryad Arbor
1 Viridian Shaman
1 Llanowar Elves
1 Birchlore Rangers
2 Craterhoof Behemoth

4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Natural Order

4 Gaea's Cradle
4 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Bayou
2 Forest

Sideboard:
3 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Thoughtseize
2 Cabal Therapy
2 Pithing Needle
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Natural Order
1 Progenitus
1 Scavenging Ooze

4-0ed my stores local tournament last night.

R1 ANT 2-1
Game 1: Kept a hand with no acceleration. Turn 1 Nettle Sentinel wasn't good enough lol. L
+3 Thorns, +5 Discard, +1 Scavenging Ooze // -4 Glimpse, -3 Heritage Druid, -2 Nettle Sentinel
Game 2: I had Cabal Therapy naming Brainstorm and hit. Thorn on turn 2 and that bought me enough time. W
Game 3: Turn 1 Thoughtseize took his tutor and I guess he never found another. W

R2 Death and Taxes 2-0
Game 1: Aether Vial turn 1, stoneforge turn 2, and I killed him on turn 3 W
+1 Progenitus, +1 Natural Order, +2 Abrupt Decay // -2 Glimpse, -2 Heritage Druid
Game 2: He had Canonist on turn 2, but turn 3 Progenitus was enough W

R3 Sneak and Show 2-1
Game 1: Turn 2 Emrakul
+5 Discard, +2 Needle, +2 Thorn // -4 Glimpse, -3 Heritage Druid, -1 Viridian Shaman, -1 Nettle Sentinel L
Game 2: He Forced my T1 Thoughtseize, so I figure he has a fast hand. T2 I play DRS, Cabal Therapy taking his Show and Tell and he can't find what he needs. W
Game 3: This one went long. A lot of discarding and countering, can't remember too much but I won through machine gunning DRS. W

R4 Goblins 2-0
Both games went pretty fast. I don't think this kid was very familiar with his deck

Did I sideboard correctly against Sneak and Show? I didn't feel very confident that entire match and would like some of your guys' input please.

Nice run, congrats!

Concerning your sideboarding:

VS. ANT with your list I would go like: -3 Symbiote, -3 Visionary, -1 V-Shaman, -1 Glimpse, -1 Hoof. Best friends are too slow in this MU, and having Glimpse + 1 creature equals the effect of EV with the possibility of going into combo mode, which is important because you want to win as fast as possible.

VS D&T I always bring in Needle as well, since they have so many good targets (Vial,Jitte,Mom etc.) and it takes some pressure off your Decays.

VS S&T I like siding out 3 GSZ since here all the 1ofs come out anyways and that way your not so susceptible to Grafdigger´s Cage which most S&T list will bring in against you. Also I would only cut 1-2 Glimpses here, since they again allow for winning quickly and are also a nice Counterbait. That said, with your list I would board like -3 GSZ, -1 V-Shaman, -1 Hoof, -2 EV, -2 Wirewood, -1 Glimpse, +5 Discard, +2 Needle, +3 Thorn. Although I feel Thorns are not that good in the Sneak Show MU, but at least they can buy you a turn or so and there isn´t really anything else you want to bring in looking at your SB. But if you choose to board them, board all of them to increase the consistency of having one in your opening hand. (Since you want to have one down on turn 2, otherwise they won´t do anything for you.)

Hope that was helpful.

[Zombie]

Just Brainstorming:

4 Elvish Visionary
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Llanowar Elves

4 Nettle Sentinel
3 Heritage Druid

2 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
1 Birchlore Rangers
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons

4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Natural Order

4 Wooded Foothills
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath
4 Gaea's Cradle
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
2 Forest
2 Dryad Arbor


SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 3 Cabal Therapy
SB: 1 Natural Order
SB: 1 Hornet Queen
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 3 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Scavenging Ooze
SB: 1 Qasali Pridemage


Obviously not fit for life in a Storm-heavy metagame, and utterly untested. But how does it look like?

[Megadeus]

If it seems to be weak vs Storm, it never hurt to add in a Teeg. I like Sigarda, but being double white means she will get stuck in hand unless you have Birchlore. But NOing her or GSZ her into play seems powerful. I know in Nic Fit at least she is a house. BUG decks actually can't answer her.

[Zombie]

If it seems to be weak vs Storm, it never hurt to add in a Teeg. I like Sigarda, but being double white means she will get stuck in hand unless you have Birchlore. But NOing her or GSZ her into play seems powerful. I know in Nic Fit at least she is a house. BUG decks actually can't answer her.

The line of thinking that led to the build was more or less: Format has problems answering Tombstalker. Format has problems answering Progenitus. Sigarda is a Tomb-progenitus, blocks Delvers/Show and Derp targets, and, interestingly, is twiddlable. Gives GSZ another bomb to dominate fair matchups. Also hoses Annihilator.

Also, DRS is a thing. Savannah+DRS in play isn't that unthinkable. I also suspect that the second Hoof is wrong.

[Eternal]

I don't understand the "hype" around Hornet Queen. In my opinion it's only a good NO target vs delver decks. Versus sneak and show, it's not bad but pyrcolasm are devastating. Worlspine wurm is really better in this MU.

Maybe I fail to understand this card, then please, explain me what's good in that ?

[Megadeus]

The line of thinking that led to the build was more or less: Format has problems answering Tombstalker. Format has problems answering Progenitus. Sigarda is a Tomb-progenitus, blocks Delvers/Show and Derp targets, and, interestingly, is twiddlable. Gives GSZ another bomb to dominate fair matchups. Also hoses Annihilator.

Also, DRS is a thing. Savannah+DRS in play isn't that unthinkable. I also suspect that the second Hoof is wrong.

Ah yes I totally forgot about DRS. Derp. Seems better then. I still think Teeg is fine in the board though for ANT MU's.

[B4L4]

Since i started to build this deck, i like to keep track of all potential sideboard / tech cards for Elves!
I don't know if am i the only one doing this or not, but still, here is the link to the list i gathered : http://deckbox.org/sets/595299.
(edit : This list is made with respect to my current MD & SB : http://deckbox.org/sets/521035)

If you have time to waste and want to suggest a card to add to this list, feel free to PM me : http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/p...o=newpm&u=3547.

[Kayradis]

I also suspect that the second Hoof is wrong.

My dear sir, you are wrong.
Have you ever took the road for a stupid long drive without a spare tire?
Accidents happen faster in MtG than IRL.
Run 2 hoofs, be safe.

[comeback]

I'm wondering who of you is changing is sideboard considering Patriot is a tier1 getting more and more popularity.

I'm currently playing the hereby sideboard:
1x Karakas
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Progenitus
3x Abrupt Decay
2x Surgical Extraction
3x Thoughtseize
1x Pithing Needle
3x Cabal Therapy

Idea 1:
+2x Red Elemental Blast vs Delver or TNN (1 Taiga MD)
-1x Abrupt Decay or Scavenging Ooze
-1x Surgical Extraction

Idea 2:
+2x Divert vs Stp or Bolt
-1x Abrupt Decay or Scavenging Ooze
-1x Surgical Extraction

How are u handling the rising of this Tier1?

[Benjammn]

I'm wondering who of you is changing is sideboard considering Patriot is a tier1 getting more and more popularity.

I'm currently playing the hereby sideboard:
1x Karakas
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Progenitus
3x Abrupt Decay
2x Surgical Extraction
3x Thoughtseize
1x Pithing Needle
3x Cabal Therapy

Idea 1:
+2x Red Elemental Blast vs Delver or TNN (1 Taiga MD)
-1x Abrupt Decay or Scavenging Ooze
-1x Surgical Extraction

Idea 2:
+2x Divert vs Stp or Bolt
-1x Abrupt Decay or Scavenging Ooze
-1x Surgical Extraction

How are u handling the rising of this Tier1?

Decay is significantly better than any of the cards you suggested. The can't be countered part of Decay makes it excellent against all of their soft counters, and all of the cards you suggested can get countered by them and none of them deal with Jitte.

I agree that the turn 1 Delver is there main threat we worry about and some Elf pilots play Meekstone to combat them. TNN isn't that much of a big deal by itself.

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[Secretly.A.Bee]

If someone would be so kind as to enlighten me on how to board against Esperblade, I would be most grateful.

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[Megadeus]

How's this board look for a standard GB list?

3 Cabal Therapy
3 Thoughtseize
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Krosan Grip
1 Natural Order
1 Ruric Thar
1 Flex Slot?

[Zombie]

How's this board look for a standard GB list?

3 Cabal Therapy
3 Thoughtseize
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Krosan Grip
1 Natural Order
1 Ruric Thar
1 Flex Slot?

Ooze and Thar into the maindeck (61 cards), add two Pithing Needles. Needles are just way too insane atm. Where's Progenitus/Sigarda?

[Megadeus]

Ooze and Thar into the maindeck (61 cards), add two Pithing Needles. Needles are just way too insane atm. Where's Progenitus/Sigarda?

Prog is in the MD. Does that seem wrong? Is hoof just a better finisher in G1 in the fair match ups? I think I need to cut something for the scooze.

[Zombie]

Prog is in the MD. Does that seem wrong? Is hoof just a better finisher in G1 in the fair match ups? I think I need to cut something for the scooze.

It's not that Progenitus isn't better, it's that it's just way too slow in unfair matches, while double Hoof is really good in both, and Ruric often has utility against fair decks and is realistically hardcastable/GSZ-able in grindier games. Progenitus should absolutely be somewhere in your 75, he's amazing. If people don't play much combo where you play, maindeck Progenitus can very well be a good choice.

For what I'd play, more or less, check the Sigarda type build.
Main:
- Sigarda
- Pridemage
+ Ooze
+ Viridian Shaman

Side:
- Pridemage
- Ooze
- Hornet Queen
+ 2 Thorn / Krosan Grip
+ 1 Progenitus

[Megadeus]

It's not that Progenitus isn't better, it's that it's just way too slow in unfair matches, while double Hoof is really good in both, and Ruric often has utility against fair decks and is realistically hardcastable/GSZ-able in grindier games. Progenitus should absolutely be somewhere in your 75, he's amazing. If people don't play much combo where you play, maindeck Progenitus can very well be a good choice.

For what I'd play, more or less, check the Sigarda type build. -Sigarda, +Ooze main, -Pridemage, - Ooze, -Hornet Queen, +2 Thorn, +1 Progenitus in the board.

Actually my local is almost 0 combo fortunately. Hence why I thought thar would be good in the board. I suppose I could play a temple garden until I can re-aquire a Savannah.

[Zombie]

Actually my local is almost 0 combo fortunately. Hence why I thought thar would be good in the board. I suppose I could play a temple garden until I can re-aquire a Savannah.

If it's 0 combo, Thar board or Thar not in 76 is perfectly reasonable, as is maindeck Progenitus probably and in that case I like the extra Grips a lot.

Edited the above post a bit while you replies.

[Megadeus]

If it's 0 combo, Thar board or Thar not in 76 is perfectly reasonable, as is maindeck Progenitus probably and in that case I like the extra Grips a lot.

Edited the above post a bit while you replies.

Yeah good amount of decks attempting to equip men with weapons in my meta.

You still think two hoofs is right?

[Zombie]

So maybe:

4 Elvish Visionary
4 Wirewood Symbiote
4 Quirion Ranger
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Llanowar Elves

4 Nettle Sentinel
3 Heritage Druid

2 Craterhoof Behemoth
1 Progenitus
2 Birchlore Rangers
1 Viridian Shaman

4 Glimpse of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Natural Order

4 Wooded Foothills
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath
4 Gaea's Cradle
2 Bayou
3 Forest
2 Dryad Arbor


SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 3 Cabal Therapy
SB: 1 Natural Order
SB: 1 Hornet Queen / 2nd Grip / Meekstone / Null Rod
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 3 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Scavenging Ooze
SB: 1 Krosan Grip

Yeah good amount of decks attempting to equip men with weapons in my meta.

You still think two hoofs is right?

Two Hoofs not right only applies to the Sigarda build because it has secondary Absolute Boss class NO targets for both fair and unfair matchups, and even then I'm not 100% sure about it.
You're not packing Ruric AND Sigarda main, 2 Hoofs is 100% where I want to be. 2 Hoofs are made of win and awesome.