at staples you can buy ink and paper and print up your own.Originally Posted by Indent
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sure I could, but I'd prefer to see these high quality Chinese proxies
Sure you do.
There are oodles of links to pictures, videos, and testimonials concerning these forgeries in this thread. View those. Do not give money to support criminals.
They aren't proxies, if they were they'd have like a pokemon card backing or something random. They're counterfeit, or fake, magical cards.
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People don't want to support passable proxies at this forum, I'd recommend doing some research over on 4Chan and other places. You can purchase these proxies, and you wouldn't be breaking the law. But you shouldn't sell or trade them to people as real cards.
To reiterate HammafistRoob's point -- why do they need the real back? Seriously, make the front as drool-inducing as you want -- I'm all for it. I support proxies 100%, and I suspect that just about everyone here does in some form. (I mean, we all test, right?)
The issue isn't proxies, it's counterfeits -- it's the difference between L.H.O.O.Q. and the Mona Lisa. I go to great pains to make my proxies as kick-ass as possible, but I also intentionally make proxies that will never, ever be mistaken for a real Magic card.
The proper plural must be "hall of fames." You wouldn't say Halls & Oate, now, would you?
Because I want to pass the cards off as real so I can sit down and play with a stranger at my LGS without the chance of their being some nerdrage shitstorm over me using proxies.
Why does this matter if I'm not selling or trading the card as a real card?
I'm pretty sure that question has been answered by several people over the last ~20 pages of this thread. I'm inclined to make a best-of containing the most repeated 10 arguments and repost them every 10 minutes here as you are somehow able to ignore/forget those in the same timeframe. XP
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you can repost whatever you want, but the point stands that you have provided no empirical evidence that passable proxies harm the market or the value of your cards, historically we can look at similar examples and see that isn't the case, and we already have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of proxies in the wild and your cards are still doing just fine. I did concede some ground by the way. But I still don't believe I should have to disclose I am playing with proxies if no one asks me and no one explicitly forbids them and I still don't believe there's anything wrong with me wanting my cards to look real without paying for them.
Is everyone cool with just ignoring everything HonorBasquiat says at this point?
Ah yes, 4chan. Bastion of legitimate businesses the world over. Nothing shady about that place.
You want to get counterfeit magic cards to lie to people because you think they are dumb.
I know you believe this is all A-Ok, but I hope most normal people will see the problem here. I reiterate the point for the benefit of those joining our thread later.
Do you believe I should have to disclose if I am playing with proxies provided no one asks me and no one explicitly forbids them? Also, do you believe there is anything inherently wrong with me wanting my cards to look real without paying for them?
To begin with,
yes, thousands of people doing what you are doing provide funding for a counterfeiting operation. You are enabling and encouraging criminal activity.
Anyway, I think it's pretty clear at this point that you're trolling, dude.
Compare this:
To this:
Your opponents pull your cards from your sleeves? Where are you playing? Because it sounds a lot like hell.
The proper plural must be "hall of fames." You wouldn't say Halls & Oate, now, would you?
At least in this thread, I assume he's trolling.
Yep.
Second the motion.
God forbid somebody wants to discuss these cards with anything but the knee-jerk hive-mind "counterfeiting = bad, end of discussion" dogma.
And copyright laws need to be followed for their own sake, right? Because all laws are put in place justly and fairly, solely to protect the consumer, and are *never* negotiable or discussable for any reason.
I just got a bunch of proxies printed for my cube. I would say about 85-90% real looking front. I had them print the collectors edition back "Not for play use" so as to avoid any issues. They are not correctly cut (almost every card was miscut), and the back side color is bad, however these are perfect proxies in my mind. They are also SLIGHTLY larger than a normal magic card so they do not fit in perfect fits, and the "feel" is a little soft (they don't snap right).
The interesting thing is you can upload any image you want and have it printed, so this is perfect for cube proxies.
Here is a comparison to real cards. Should be fairly obvious which one's are real.
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