[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

[lemariont]

Do you side the surgicals in another match up? . It takes a lot of sb space for only two pairings (dredge and reanimator)

[Bryant Cook]

Do you side the surgicals in another match up? . It takes a lot of sb space for only two pairings (dredge and reanimator)

Try reading the last few pages.

[SScout]

Do you side the surgicals in another match up? . It takes a lot of sb space for only two pairings (dredge and reanimator)

Its definitely not just those two, its versatile enough that you could bring it in against almost anything that utilities the graveyard (so the mirror, ANT, RUG delver and a bunch more slightly off the beaten track decks).

Plus, as Bryant said a few pages back, its not just to combat the bad matches, it can also function as protection if they already cast a force (and other relevant hate cards) while also allowing you to peek at their hand for free!

I really like it, and although i haven't tested it yet, i feel like its going to have a solid spot for quite some time.

[akmalik]

Its definitely not just those two, its versatile enough that you could bring it in against almost anything that utilities the graveyard (so the mirror, ANT, RUG delver and a bunch more slightly off the beaten track decks).

Plus, as Bryant said a few pages back, its not just to combat the bad matches, it can also function as protection if they already cast a force (and other relevant hate cards) while also allowing you to peek at their hand for free!

I really like it, and although i haven't tested it yet, i feel like its going to have a solid spot for quite some time.

Extraction vs RUG delver because they have Force, Pierce, Snare, Stifle, Flusterstorm and not the ability to draw 14 cards or just to prevent that their Nimble gets Threshold o.O Can't find a single card I would board out to play Extraction postboard against them.

I still play 3 Swarms because no one plays Reanimator here and vs SneakShow it's a better protectionspell on its own and they have just 4 force and the fast kill to get rid of the bug.
Would be nice to have Extraction to improve some even or bad matchups but not sure how it's possible to make enough room in the sideboard with so many swarms.

[Lemnear]

Could not use Extraction for any significant value in my latest testing. With diverse disruption in opponents hand/grave it was rarely more than look at my opponents hand or removing cards I don't even cared for (Life from the Loam). Even SB Hymn to Tourach would have served better than SE in the games I played :/

Space is too tight to board in Pyroblasts + SE against RUG or stuff.

Sometimes I wonder if there's not the possibility to run some creatures in our sideboard for the Delver-decks....

[Tom T]

Could not use Extraction for any significant value in my latest testing. With diverse disruption in opponents hand/grave it was rarely more than look at my opponents hand or removing cards I don't even cared for (Life from the Loam). Even SB Hymn to Tourach would have served better than SE in the games I played :/

Space is too tight to board in Pyroblasts + SE against RUG or stuff.

Sometimes I wonder if there's not the possibility to run some creatures in our sideboard for the Delver-decks....

You could play Tombstalker like AnT played in their sideboard years ago.

[Hopo]

Sometimes I wonder if there's not the possibility to run some creatures in our sideboard for the Delver-decks....

Reanimator has tried Delver, not sure how that went. I'd personally like to to know if Young Pyromancer would do any good in R/X/Y/Z storm.

[Lemnear]

Reanimator has tried Delver, not sure how that went. I'd personally like to to know if Young Pyromancer would do any good in R/X/Y/Z storm.

Tried pyromancer and it was plain bad in storm as it requires you to fire off spells which are often rituals and stuff you don't want to waste. Delver is too easy to handle as they keep in Bolts (which is the reason Xantid Swarms arenot an option in this matchup). Tombstalker is pretty nice ... but not alongside Ad Nauseam, i fear...

Fuck that! i'm playing Hellcarver stompy tonight! Muahahahahaha

[Bryant Cook]

Could not use Extraction for any significant value in my latest testing. With diverse disruption in opponents hand/grave it was rarely more than look at my opponents hand or removing cards I don't even cared for (Life from the Loam). Even SB Hymn to Tourach would have served better than SE in the games I played :/

Space is too tight to board in Pyroblasts + SE against RUG or stuff.

Sometimes I wonder if there's not the possibility to run some creatures in our sideboard for the Delver-decks....

I feel like you're not using the card for it's proper intention if you're using it and looking at your opponent's hand full of "diverse protection", you shouldn't be siding it against RUG decks. I'm calling bullshit if you say Reanimator has diverse protection, they have a standard suite. I made the sideboard work pretty damn easily, while finding room for a Chain of Vapor, there's plenty of room as long as you're not running three copies of a useless two mana card!

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...rt=1&finish=16
http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...polis&state=IN
http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...14&event_ID=20
http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...=OH&country=US

These are the last four SCG Opens, notice how Reanimator has been doing? Pretty damn well. I won't continue to believe the myth that we can continually get by from avoiding the match-up, we dedicate more space to better match-ups in our sideboard. When we should be devoting space to where we need it. This thread has spent too much time caring about semi-irrelevant X/1's and not looking at the problems this deck has. Pyroblast and Surgical are absolutely right for a large metagame, look at the results. I build my deck for large events, if your local event doesn't have these decks (UWr Delver/Reanimator) it's not a fault of my list - it's your metagame. I just ask that no one spouts off making claims cards aren't needed because they don't see these match-ups. I analyze stats and evidence, most of the time when I play this deck I'm crunching numbers in my head, those are the things I look for when I make decisions regarding the sideboard.

[Marcelo65]

Hey guys, I am new to this forum.
You can read my TES report if you like. You can check it out here:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...rnament-Report

[Jay_Gatz]

Well that was a waste of a few minutes, not even sure if it was intended to be serious

[Lemnear]

Well that was a waste of a few minutes, not even sure if it was intended to be serious

Nah, it's a troll post. Still curious why my reports are the target here...

[Pelikanudo]

Hey guys, I am new to this forum.
You can read my TES report if you like. You can check it out here:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...rnament-Report

you are a Great man.

I just was thiking also to make a kind of report in which I relate how was the tournament when facing 1st Round MUD, 2nd Round MUD, 3rdRound Reanimator, 4th Miracles... because it is true that when you have a tournament like this, some how you re living the heart of the storm, I would say a dark heart of storm. Note also mulliganed in Reanimator.!

Joke. just stopping when saw 3 B.S. Horror.


Other things:
Looking at the reanimator lists from the links in most have plenty of T.Seize... thats why I fear surgical to be discarded...

Just curious but you prefer therapy or silence vs reanimator. I think the unique way is to use silence and xantid and just be faster...therapy needs to be used in fisrt turns and you just sometimes fail. for sure you'l name entomb or FoW...so according to the list and the initial plan:

I would do:
-4 Thereapy -1EtW
+3Xantid+1Tropical+1T.Seize.
or maybe leave 1 Thereapy instead of ponder.... realy don't know..

I would take this phrase - Lem:
you can only name a redundant number of various Reanimation spells with Therapy. The use of Silence and Swarm is to negate all the counters he drew of Griselbrand. I would not cut your own combo Elements like IT here. Tbh all this depends also if you run Telemin in your SB like I do - Resignated but 100% agree.

I just T.P or Bribery makes you to not to side I.T. as we really don't want to take it out, we need to be quick and now B.W. is like Infernal. this sideboard plan means the same disruption cards.

I really would like to know the idea of surgical strategy plan because of leaving in or out the C.Therapy...please let us know the plan.
Note that a completely different approach I used in ANT, just full discard if not enough just add even more discard, maybe te approach is this.

I still really do not know how to side vs Reanimator as I have lost more than win vs this match up... so I can't give a guarranty.

How the hell do you side vs team America, as 1 tropical (1 ponder or 1C.Mox) does not seem The Super Great Change To Definately Win. maybe -1 C.Mox-1Ponder = +1T.Seize+1Tropical is correct? Sure is not a bad match up but if you face 3 in a tournament I just want the percentages t win the 3...

[Lemnear]

you are a Great man.

I just was thiking also to make a kind of report in which I relate how was the tournament when facing 1st Round MUD, 2nd Round MUD, 3rdRound Reanimator, 4th Miracles... because it is true that when you have a tournament like this, some how you re living the heart of the storm, I would say a dark heart of storm. Note also mulliganed in Reanimator.!

Joke. just stopping when saw 3 B.S. Horror.

Stopped the first time after reading the parenthese. Then Holly bumped me for the thread via facebook and I took a second look ... stopped after the paragraph after the picture and was sure I can't take this serious. As I realized that some people took the "report" somehow serious I looked over the rest. I have no idea why anybody has that much freetime to create a report with the goal to make look the deck and my article series like a joke after I invested so much time and effort in the series to show storm-players and opponents the capabilities and weaknesses of the deck. What I once started to say "thank you!" to the community of TheSource which welcomed me years ago, is now used for trolling. That's a bit sad. Imo that doesn't even work well enough as a parody.

Other things:
Looking at the reanimator lists from the links in most have plenty of T.Seize... thats why I fear surgical to be discarded...

Just curious but you prefer therapy or silence vs reanimator. I think the unique way is to use silence and xantid and just be faster...therapy needs to be used in fisrt turns and you just sometimes fail. for sure you'l name entomb or FoW...so according to the list and the initial plan:

I would do:
-4 Thereapy -1EtW
+3Xantid+1Tropical+1T.Seize.

still looks good if you ask me. With Surgicals you may board out a Ponder in addition and in comes: 2 xantid, 1 Trop, 1 Seize, 2 SE ... et voilà!

or maybe leave 1 Thereapy instead of ponder.... realy don't know..

I would take this phrase - Lem:
you can only name a redundant number of various Reanimation spells with Therapy. The use of Silence and Swarm is to negate all the counters he drew of Griselbrand. I would not cut your own combo Elements like IT here. Tbh all this depends also if you run Telemin in your SB like I do - Resignated but 100% agree.

Telemin slips in and out of my board thoughout Dec/Jan. If Reanimator comes back big in Europe, I ponder about the SB slots regarding that matchup. Bryant has a valid point about the US metagame specific and larger events in general about the possibility to face Reanimator. I can obviously see how card you board in, can have an higher impact than cards you want to keep in the board like telemin/Reanimate, but that is not my point. I'm not sure if Surgical is a better sideboard card than Xantid considering that there are (afaik) still more SneakShow than Reanimator around ... ok, tbh you can take the beforementioned boarding and just replace the Surgicals with Pyroblasts for that matchup and proceed as usual. Guess that was the idea behind

Edit: for the visual-people like me

Reanimator: -4 Thereapy -1EtW (-1Ponder) / +2Xantid +1Tropical (+1T.Seize) +2SurgicalExtraction
SneakShow: -4 Thereapy -1EtW (-1Ponder) / +2Xantid +1Tropical (+1T.Seize) +2Pyroblast

Maybe i'm mistaken

I just T.P or Bribery makes you to not to side I.T. as we really don't want to take it out, we need to be quick and now B.W. is like Infernal. this sideboard plan means the same disruption cards.

I really would like to know the idea of surgical strategy plan because of leaving in or out the C.Therapy...please let us know the plan.
Note that a completely different approach I used in ANT, just full discard if not enough just add even more discard, maybe te approach is this.

I still really do not know how to side vs Reanimator as I have lost more than win vs this match up... so I can't give a guarranty.

How the hell do you side vs team America, as 1 tropical (1 ponder or 1C.Mox) does not seem The Super Great Change To Definately Win. maybe -1 C.Mox-1Ponder = +1T.Seize+1Tropical is correct? Sure is not a bad match up but if you face 3 in a tournament I just want the percentages t win the 3...

still replacing a mox and a ponder with trop and seize. Tough matchup as it is to expect

[Lemnear]

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[JPoJohnson]

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Checking it out now (:

Time to update your signature!

[Kring]

*puts reading glasses*

[SScout]

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Oh Hell's yeah Lemnear, you just made my morning!! :D

[KaiSchafroth]

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Another fantastic report Lem; exactly what I needed after a long week of work travel.

[lemariont]

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Woooo Woooo Woooo, Thank you very much for the report Lem, you are an authentic GOD of STORM !!!!!!!!!!!!