I'm glad RUG won the SCG tourney with a very stock list. I'm pretty pumped he's running the same main deck as I am. I think this gives a little bit of confidence that the deck needs minor tweaking not overhaul if anything.
It could also simply be an abnormality.Originally Posted by trollking21
what exactly do you mean they only have spell pierce to defend against it post board? do you mean surgical extraction? Patriot can also defend against surgical extraction by activating a grim lavamancer or scavenging ooze if they play one.
That's entirely possible, as no other RUG deck did well, at that tourney, but I'm hoping RUG is alive
There is also another Rug-List in the Top 50 which contains
4 delver of secrets
2 grim lavamancer
4 tarmogoys
3 True-Name Nemesis
Which looks kinda controlish and midrangy build.
I'm not sure if i like it,probably not because the only fast thread that you can deploy is delver.
It's just horrible if your opening 7 contains 1 Land and 1 True-Name Nemesis which occurs sometimes in a deck with 18 Lands.
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Yeah, that kind of configuration with no manadorks seems horrible. Needs that Hierarch or Deathrite in there somewhere.
Has anyone tested Curfew, and if so, has it done well or not?
It looks like kinda NLT-Brew or something,no clue how it succeed.
Curfew is a nice card combined with Snapcaster but thats another story and another deck.
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Very possible. I saw multiple misplays in the top 8 which turned out to work in his favor. Sometimes the opponent just draws dead (match 3 game 3).
I played against him Round 1 at the open series. i was also playing rug delver but more of the traditional build. let me tell you what happened.
game 1
he goes land, land, fetch, cast tarmogoyf. and then i decided instead of countering it, i would just bolt it (i did not have a snare in hand) since the instant would keep him at a 3 power. tarmogoyf died. then next turn he casts another tarmogoyf. i force of will pitching ponder, because i had delver in hand and was gonna run it out next turn. then he forces back pitching stifle. and then i was thinking i cannot let this tarmogoyf resolve, so i force of will pitching delver. tarmogoyf gets countered. so i have nothing left but a fetch land in hand. i draw for turn, i draw a land, and pass. he then untaps and goes, true name nemesis. i was like damn, i'm dead. which i was because i had no answer to it. i scooped up my cards as soon as he played his second true name nemesis which was only a turn or two later.
Game 2
i open up wasteland, wasteland, volcanic island. so i play volcanic and pass he then uses wasteland. i use my mana for brainstorm and find another volcanic. next turn i play volcanic island and pass. he wastelands again. my turn i play wasteland and pass. then he plays a fetch, and i played a fetch and then he drops a grim lavamancer that gets bolted at end of turn. i resolve a tarmogoyf, it has 4 power. with a flipped delver, and land land fetch in play, he casts sylvan library. i cast daze, and in response he cracks his fetch land. in response i submerge his flipped delver, it resolved. then he asks if his fetch resolved, and i said no. cast daze on the sylvan library. it gets countered and my goyf is now a five power. we both forget to resolve the fetch, he calls a judge over and the judge rewinds to the point of resolving the fetch, because he never even shuffled his deck. and then he casts ponder. i think i have this game won with a 5 power tarmogoyf. but then he cast true name nemesis. on my next turn, i cast ponder, found a second tarmogoyf which i drew with ponder, cracked my fetch land to cast it and in response, he cast submerge. and then the game was over since my only out was to swing with 2 creatures and bolt him. he ended up finding a delver after stalling with true name, flipped it, i took a few hits from it and then was forced to bolt it when my life total got below 10. i also found a scavenging ooze and tried to keep it alive but it died to his bolt. i don't really remember what happened after that but i died to his true name nemesis. after the game was over he told me something along the lines of:
''i cut nimble mongoose for 3 true name nemesis. in matchups where it's hard to cast him, i just pitch him to force of will most of the time, and even in matchups like this where we are both wastelanding each other, the game is gonna go on so long, that we're both gonna get to 3 mana eventually.''
it was a good game and i lost against him 0-2. in fact, the only match in the 4 rounds i played that i beat was reanimator. i lost to Reed playing his version of RUG Delver in round 1, lost to Belcher in Round 2, won against Reanimator in Round 3, and then lost to Enchantress in Round 4 and then dropped afterwards.
i have determined after playing U/W/R Delver in Indianapolis, and RUG Delver in Nashville, that I am just completely incapable of playing Tempo style decks. I am much better when it comes to the mid to late game. So I think from now on I am going to play something else. I felt like RUG Delver, even though it won 1st place, was a poor deck choice for this event. Not only because of how I did with it, but also because as I walked around the room, and saw what other people were playing, it just looked miserable. so 1 - 3 drop record for me for RUG Delver in SCG Open Nashville.
The list i was playing was pretty much entirely based on Drew Levin's article about RUG Delver that he wrote prior to Grand Prix DC, as well as this forum, and the guy who got 2nd place in Baltimore.
Here was my list:
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Nimble Mongoose
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
4 Stifle
3 Spell Pierce
2 Spell Snare
4 Lightning Bolt
1 Fire // Ice
Sideboard:
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Ancient Grudge
3 Submerge
1 Sulfur Elemental
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Pithing Needle
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Rough // Tumble
1 Krosan Grip
1 Flusterstorm
2 Pyroblast
if i were to play RUG Delver again (which is really really unlikely) i would not be playing True Name Nemesis. the reason being is that if i were playing with 3 true names maindeck i would rather be playing something better like BUG Delver or U/W/R Delver. i think either one of these decks can utilize True Name more than RUG can. but that is not to take anything from Reed making a top 64 finish. he was a pleasure to play against, and i wish him the best of luck in future tournaments.
I got the intention behind this idea.Would increase the land count up to 19 if this creature package works - which i don't really believe yet.
Anyway, if tnn gets a home in rug i could imagine a build like this one:
4 Delver
4 Nimble Mongoose
3 True Name Nemesis
1 Green Suns Zenith
What i really like about this one are all the shroud creatures.
Force of will and spell pierce are not longer needed to protect our guys but can be used to negate our opponents plans.
I run a similar list with deathrite Shaman instead of Gsz and the 3rd Tnn in my German ******** List,being successful here in berlin.
I'll bring it to Gp Paris this weekend so i hope to catch up
some of you there.
To make it easier to find me in the big hall - I'm gonna wear this shirt:
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It seems that it might be better to just play BURG and run 4 deathrites so you can keep mana open and more easily something cast TNN
something like this perhaps for the creature base.
4 delver
4 deathrite
2 goyf
3 TNN
Possibly switching the TNN and goyf counts but, our close cousin BURG seems better able to fit true name i would think. I don't know however if this is improvement over what they currently have going on.
Hi all;
I'm the guy who won at Nashville with RUG. I've been playing it for almost a year and a half, and my list has basically stayed the same the whole time. I feel really good about the current iteration of it. The sideboard is (obviously) wrong; I only had one extraction and one elemental. I never wanted Tarfires or Probes or Trunes.
I'm gonna write a tournament report maybe today or tomorrow and post it here or in the report section. I know I'm not perfect with the deck, but I consider myself better than average. And yes, I did luck out a few games during the day, but that just seems like the norm, at least whenever I play it. Haha.
A quick summary, for your consideration:
UWr Miracles 2-0
UWr Miracles 2-0
Burn 2-0
Lands 0-2
Patriot 2-1
RUG Delver 2-1
Punishing Jund 2-1
ANT 2-0
ANT 2-0
Shardless BUG 2-1
Elves 2-1
Sneak and Show 2-1
I am looking forward to your report. Btw, hopefully I did not offend when I said I saw some misplays on camera, maybe you were just on a different line than what I was thinking.
I forget which game, but against Shardless BUG you had a tropical island and wasteland while the opponent had 0 permenants. you opted to cast a ponder (looking for a second colored land, I assume), bricked, shuffled, and drew a scalding tarn instead of just casting the Tarmogoyf in your hand. Were you afraid of wasteland? Because if he wastes you, the board is still heavily in your favor, and you can just waste him back if he makes another land drop, so its 3-4 turns before he could possibly answer the tarmogoyf.
Against sneak and show, you forced of willed something leaving a force of will as the only card in your hand. So, if you draw a blue card you are in great shape (I think I would have done the same). You ended up ripping a brainstorm off the top and casting it (Revealing a bunch of blue cards including flusterstorm), were you fearful that you might not find a second blue source in the top 3 to turn your force of will on?
I 100% agree that you need at least a little luck on your side to take down a big event like an SCG Open, and am looking forward to your comments!
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Hello JeCroisQue! Thanks for your reprot and congrats on nice finish? Have you won anything? I'm asking because it always pleases me when RUG players get some prizes, even something small or silly..
On your list: very untraditional. I'm glad that it worked for you, it's nice and surprising to see something different than the usual stock list, althogh I think that some of your choices might be questionable, esp. the two FoWs (three are much more reasonable as you already wrote).
I wouldn't side out Dazes against Strom. You need every counterspell. I'd cut Bolts/Fires (each has its own merit), Phantasmal Image and maybe some Mongoose. Even Mis-D might be useful against Therapies; nto that i matters that much, but it's still better to throw away Mis-D and random blue card (and see the opponent's hand), than lose the FoW/Pierce/Stifle they'd take from you.
Thanks a lot for the report! And of course: congratulations!
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If I understand the math behind the DTB, if the cuttoff had remained at 3.4% instead of increasing to 4.6%, it would have still been a dtb.
However, the fact that it was knocked out of even the top 3 is a pretty significant result.
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