SYlvan Caryatid is to help at the awkward 2 mana stage, when you don't want to commit into a crop/repeal but you need/want to advance the board state versus a persistent deck archetype (Jund/DnT/Tempo/Midrange). I was looking for a fog card, and Sylvan Caryatid allows this fog to be MD while advancing the kill, something no other fogs do. Caryatid is everything I wanted DRS to be back when I added it, regular mana that blocked annoying things and bought you time.Originally Posted by Vacrix
It also allows for playing a turn 3 Show & tell with daze mana, and blocks thalia all day.
My two most recent tourny loses were to DnT and Rug, so this reflects a potential weakness. Revoker is making me more and more confident in my combo matchup, which I once dreaded terribly.
Savage Summoning into Sylvan Caryatid is easily one of the strongest reactive plays this version of the deck has into an attacking mongoose/bob/thalia.
Lol at you SnT cutters, but the "no sacred cows" attitude is admirable.
My fav show and tell play is on t1-t2. I play top, note them step into the tank of "do I counter that", especially if it did work earlier in the match, and I reveal show and tell from my hand. Puts them into a pickle, usually letting the top stick.
I think explosives accomplishes a lot of what everyone's looking for with moments peace and all. I'm on one, a trinket and keeping FOW against all those decks and it's comfortable.
Have you thought about trying Metrognome in the sideboard for discard-heavy decks, Jer? I mean, life should not be an issue when you run Glimmerposts and Vesuvas; I take it you're running the Baloths out of the board to combat those types of decks that aim to rip your hand apart.
Additionally, most decks that run heavy discard also tend to run sacrificial removal (Liliana, Innocent Blood, Smallpox, etc.). Metrognome allows you to dodge multiple attempts in the sacrifice department and provides your impending Eldrazi the protection it needs to push through to victory.
It's really good against Smallpox - really good.
I had not considered metrognome. I am not against playing it either. Still dabbling in color splashes, as caryatid enables Red or other color choices.
I like the idea!
With black, you get Abrupt Decay and Toxic Deluge. I remember your last venture into back didn't go that well, but do you think the metagame has shifted and the deck evolved enough to be able to use it again?
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I think that this question is stupid, but is the deck playable without candelabra?
If it is, have you a decklist?
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TECHNICALLY you could but the deck just becomes worse without it. It is generally not a good idea to cut an entire path to victory. Don't expect the deck to do so well without candels.
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I think the thread regulars should all put "Yes, Candelabra of Townos is required." in their footer/post signature. So it'll be on every page, lol.
I don't have any 'cause I'm poor :(
But yeah, after a few weeks of watching High Tide players - we went a couple months where nobody played it and last week we had, like, three people playing it - it's easy to see how much more explosive the deck becomes with Candels. I just try to note the fact that obviously the deck won't perform to its true potential without them, and Magus isn't good enough.
candelabra is not required, i run it and i draw it once every 10 games. it's good because people often counter it, but i had a ridiculous win rate before i ever got it into my deck.
here is a list which does not run it:
http://mtgpulse.com/event/15121#213347
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I. Disagree. Played. To. 85% Win. Rate. Without. I. Have. One. In. Deck. Now. Only. Useful. In. Handful. Of. Scenarios.
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Candelabra is not needed, when you dont Play candelabra then it is a ,,Budget''. That's the only Thing. Candelabra make the Deck more explosive and faster. It's the same with the High Tide list's.
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I think you fail to catch just how much more explosive and faster the deck becomes with Candelabra of Tawnos. To draw a comparison, it'd be like if I ran Modern G(r) Tron without Chromatic Sphere or even Ancient Stirrings. The deck still functions and can assemble its mana, but without the dig power, it takes more time, and the more time opponents have to build up and react to your threats, the less likely your game ending bomb will be as effective.
P.S. Modern G(r) Tron and Legacy 12-Post are not comparable beyond both are big mana decks beyond that have cards that should not be ignored because they make not losing/winning easier. But I have a lot experience with both because... well, see signature... so I understand the whole "nothing's sacred" attitude, but something is. Even though I don't draw it that often (I run 2 and 2 Trinket Mage), when it's there, it swings games.
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i think you dont understand me..i say candelabra is not needed..(and that's right when you wanna play a budget list)
otherwise when you wanna play turbo eldrazi competitive, you should play 2 candels. They are too.good;)
it's the same with the high tide list. When you can't buy candels or barrow them you can still play witouth..
the deck is just a little bit bader.
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I see what you mean. My apologies. The thing about Candelabra's discussion in terms of budget is that at least here money should not be a major contributing factor to a card's playability. Discussing budget limitations by its nature inhibits discussing how this deck should be played ideally.
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After testing all manner of crazy variants, I'm back to just tried-and-true needles main, U/G. The build is just so resilient it hurts.
Still looking for a x2 slot that works vs rug, but also splashes into the mirror and DnT. Wasteland comes to mind.
Are those Needles in place of, or in addition to, Phyrexian Revoker x4?
It's kind of narrow and doesn't really do anything in the mirror, but against DnT and RUG, what about something like Teferi's Response to counter their wasteland and port activations?
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Can you post a list of the tried and true? Curious about revoked/needle also
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