I went 4-3 drop at the Atlanta Open. Lost a match to Patriot when I mulliganed to four in game three, rallied back by beating Elves, two UR Delver decks, and Punishing Jund, and finished my day by losing to two Merfolk decks in a row. Turns out, Merfolk is really hard to beat when they play four Caverns and four Trunes. If you don't have double Delver with a REB or Bolt, then you basically can't win.
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Mr. Taylor i can't agree more on that.
Merfolk is a matchup you can't win by trying to control the game with countermagic because they use their vials and cavern.
You also can't control the board only with your 10-13 removal against 30 (!) fishies,the only route to victory is RACING,that means Delver and Tarmogoyf + hopefully a ton of blasts and instant-bolts(i'm not talking about slow forked bolts as they can be shut down by to many lords)
During GP Paris i lost also against merfolk because i kept controlish hands but with no creature or maybe 1 nimble mongoose which is not the ideal one against the blue man group.
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It's annoying how the can circumvent Rough.
So what do you guys think of the list that won Atlanta? I personally think that 2 dismember and 2 gitaxian probe mainboard is a lot of life loss with no life gain. The other thing I don't really like is the 2 grims in the side just because they seem slow and counter productive with the geese. With all that being said he did win so am I just missing something here?
Grim is the card that helps you in nightmare matchups like DnT and Folks.
Dismember, though hurtful, helps against opposing walls like Goyfs/Stalkers/Germs, both hurtful cards. You may get rid of them otherwise, but speaking esp. of... hrm... hrm... Goyfs, Stalkers and Germs, this isn't exactly easy and the time you'll lose looking for answers may result in a loss.
My opinion on GP is unchanged, but well, i won't argue with results.
What am I missing?
EDIT: What I dislike about Dismember is that it stops DRS at the too painful cost and sometimes not being powerful enough to kill KotR.
Is KotR even a factor? I haven't seen one outside Cockatrice for months. Does the Thespian's Stage deck play it?
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I listed it just for the record. I never seen one in months.
Sure, it's nice that we have the same anecdotes in this case :)
Last fall, I played RUG with 2 Pierce, 3 Probe and 1 Dismember in the flex, and the lifeloss wasn't that relevant in most match-ups.
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He did say in his top 8 profile that Lavamancer should have been Rough // Tumble.
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Ya would make way more sense.
I like the atlanta list a lot,reminds me on my own list during gp strassbourg in 2013.
Dismember is a great removal and we don't care about the lifeloss ,except in the mirror were it actual matters !
I'm currently tuning 2-3 Decks for the big Bazaar of Moxen Event in May and one if them is indeed RUG with 8 Burn (4 Bolt and 4 Chains !) and 2 Spell Pierces in the main.
The sideboard has 2 price of progress and 1-2 sulfuric vortex,because all decks except miracle just loose a single copy of them.
It feels like UR- Delver with better creatures and a better mathup against elves,team america,death&taxes and friends.
Check it out !
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I'm glad to see some people are coming around to trying out the 4 bolt/4 chain configuration i suggested some ten or so pages back.
@ sawatarix: do you find the blue count to be high enough to still run the full 4 force of will? When I'd suggested 4 bolt/4 chain, I also suggested running 3 FoW/3 spell pierce, and the counterspell configuration diverted attention away from what I thought was most important--loading up on 3 for 1 red spells for reach and removal.
This deck wins yet another large scale (316 players) legacy event over this past weekend, Star City Games Open - Atlanta). Last month it also won Star City Games Open - Nashville (283 players) and went to the finals with a second place finish the month before that in January at Star City Games Open - Baltimore (402 players).
There have been a bunch of other 50 to 100 player events all over North America and Europe in 2014 in the months of January and February so far where this deck has earned respective top 8 placements in large scale legacy events. This deck is not showing any signs of slowing down and pound-for-pound has posted better results in 2014 thus far than several other decks still in the decks to beat forum. Indeed, it is trite to say that this needs to change mods.
This is conspicuously still one of the top decks in the format and is palpably one of the decks to beat, if not the deck to beat! With the greatest of respect, the mods really erred by moving it to this thread recently.
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Why is this not in DTB and, more importantly, why was Nic Fit ever in DTB? lolol
Both the former and the latter, very, very good questions indeed!
To be the man, you gotta beat the man!
If you read how the DTB thread is calculated, it makes more sense why it was removed.
If it was strength of deck alone, RUG should never leave DTB, it's always going to have decent MU against the field.
But if you start to just go on strength of deck, there are going to be a perpetual list of DTB 40 decks long.
For example: For the number of people that play high tide or imperial painter - they are extremely strong decks capable of winning pretty much any tournament. But I don't go around planning to run up against either deck all day long, because they are expensive and are low in prevalence.
RUG had a bad run in January, and I would bet it will be back in February.
It's about math and that doesn't lie. I wouldn't be mad at mods. We should rather win something more...
Also, I think that the fall from DTB status only helped the deck. I like that it's a bit obscure once again - although not like the first time when the Stifles started to fly all over the place back in 2007 - and I find it amusing that I'm playing an "unusual choice".
February is over, it is now March.
It had a decent January, a dominant February and just started March back on top. The results and the math in support of this deck being 'the deck to beat in the format right now is compelling!
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Why do people really care if its classified as "DTB" or not on one magic website?
Carefulmug:
There are 26 blue spells including force of wills themselves.
I wouldn't run a list without 4 forces just because they are excellent tempo-counter.
Otherwise the deck is really good right now,elves for example has became a risible mu
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