I still run winter orb in my board, it also hoses lands to an extent.Originally Posted by KobeBryan
Nice, I like that.
Primer looks great so far Dragonslayer! I'm looking forward to the Sideboard-section.
Honestly, Move 1 force of will to the board... Most decks running any number of bobs do this, if not because taking 5 to the face to draw a (sometimes irrelevant) counterspell feels bad.
EDIT: Also, GREAT WORK on the primer. Looking forward to card choice explanations, and different build examples etc.
EDIT 2: Did not read the 85% combo meta part. My advice is for a balanced meta... there's a post below that addresses a hugely combo-biased meta =P
Last edited by exallium; 03-14-2014 at 10:33 AM.
They banned Top, so now I play Grixis Delver.
"My meta is 85% combo"
"Move 4th FoW to the board"
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Time for me to read things closer... Coffee should help.
That sounds like a terribly boring meta to deal with =P
That being said, I'd probably want my "control spells" to consist of things like:
1 Clique
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1-2 Flusterstorm
0-1 Arcane Laboratory (Actually, opinions on this would be good... I think it really only has a home in a largely combo meta.)
0-1 Null Rod
They banned Top, so now I play Grixis Delver.
Honestly, if I could find a different deck for my meta I would. Sadly though, short of classic RUG Delver I couldn't imagine a better list for such a combo-centric meta. Do you guys have any input on either an alternative deck or a more anti-combo package main or side?
One combo hoser I have found is zur's weirding. Hear me out. Every combo deck that has to find specific cards to win just flat out folds to it. I've had success with it against combo before. It's even good against miracles as it, ya know stops miracles. I'd only run it in a combo heavy meta though.
This card hoses brainstorm pretty bad.
Kids...this is a reason not to net deck the best deck that won the tournament.
If you have 85% combo meta, I suggest you play tombstalker over bob.
You're trolling, right?
Tombstalker is too slow to keep in postboard against most combo decks. I side him out everytime I play against storm and show and tell. I only keep him in against Elves because the flying makes him better than goyf much of the time. Bob, on the other hand, gives you a bit more options in how to play combo matchups. I actually keep him in against show and tell decks because, like I said earlier, Dark Confidant makes up for his slow clock by drawing you one extra card per turn, which often enables you to more consistently maintain control over your combo opponent. Show and Tell does nothing to pressure your life total before they combo off so you're okay to be liberal with your life total via Bob. Against storm and elves though, I'd side them out since your life total is actually relevant to their game plans.
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and bob will help you do any better?
you gotta end the game against combo asap. the 2 tombstalkers do that for you.
When i play against ANT, show and tell, i don't take out tombstalkers, but take out library, abrupt decays, a land, and whatever else...but i wouldn't board out a creature against combo, you gotta smack their face.
I agree completely with Dragonslayer on his analysis. I actually only run 2 confidant as a concession to finding a healthy balance in my bored for post game 1 fights.
PS In my combocentric meta, would Grixis Delver be a better option? It seems like it given the addition of Stifle in that list but then I trade Goyf for Pyromancer... Hindsight I could just pack Stifle in BUG Delver.
Anyone with insight on the Grixis Delver side? I havn't tested that variant at all.
Not really. Grixis Delver is essentially, from what I've seen, Snapcaster, Bob, and YP, all of which are amazing, but all of which quickly die to a single pyroclasm, mutilate, golgari charm, etc. I'd rather have goyf against combo.
They banned Top, so now I play Grixis Delver.
You got it wrong Kobe.
Taking out tombstalker versus combo is generally correct but depends on the boarding plan of course. You having space for it post board means something is wrong - either with your 75 or your boarding plan.
Bob is one of the best creatures versus combo. It generally does only 1 less damage than Goyf, usually more than stalker since it can come down turn 2 but most importantly draws you into disruption. That being said I am not a fan of bob in TA. Just commenting on the issue of what is good vs. combo.
Currently playing: Elves
I may have had a "few too many" Heinekens but how vital are the 4 Daze in this deck? I usually win without any help from Daze and am wondering about replacing the 4 slots with something else. No idea what yet and like I said I may be crazy...
Today I am become death. The destroyer of worlds. -Oppenheimer
tempo discard decks need daze...
Ahhhhhhh
Yeah 4 Daze is super clutch for blowing out ppl... Whenever it feels horrible it's either 50/50 you have already lost or it's super late game
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Don't mean to insult you but I DO think you have had a "few too many" Heinekens
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