[DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)

[phazonmutant]

Had a blast watching you battle on camera! Your list seems very experimental as if it was designed to test DC vs TS vs TNN and TS vs Hynm, was that the case? Can not wait to hear your thoughts of the numbers and where to go from here. Congrats!

Great job Greg!

It's funny, I've actually found myself defending your list to people even though mine is quite different. All of the cards you played are cards I've considered and they're basically fulfilling similar roles while giving your opponent's more of a headache when deciding what to play around/how to SB.

My list focuses more on consistently drawing the cards I feel are good in the metagame.

Thanks! Razorwynd, it is pretty experimental. I had no idea which of the creatures is better, so i just played one of each. They're all situationally the nut against different decks, and 1 is a lot more than 0. I also feel like most of the cards in the deck you only want to draw 1 of, so playing a lot of 3 ofs gives you more different outs to dig to with your 8 cantrips.

As akatsuki mentioned, playing a bunch of different but similar cards makes it hard for the opponent to know what to play around.

The actual choices though were definitely influenced by my meta - lot of top players on miracles and blade. You should adjust the list to keep your opponents guessing and suit your meta

[lsho]

watched you play yesterday. was a delight. congrats! looking forward to your article!

[Dragonslayer_90]

Thanks! Razorwynd, it is pretty experimental. I had no idea which of the creatures is better, so i just played one of each. They're all situationally the nut against different decks, and 1 is a lot more than 0. I also feel like most of the cards in the deck you only want to draw 1 of, so playing a lot of 3 ofs gives you more different outs to dig to with your 8 cantrips.

As akatsuki mentioned, playing a bunch of different but similar cards makes it hard for the opponent to know what to play around.

The actual choices though were definitely influenced by my meta - lot of top players on miracles and blade. You should adjust the list to keep your opponents guessing and suit your meta

Congrats Phazonmutant! So I was just wondering if, between Confidant, TNN, and Stalker,whether one card outperformed the other two or whether one seemed best in most matchups? After testing a Confidant list for a little while now I still can't decide If I like Confidant better than Tombstalker. Confidant has been pretty good but not good enough for me to say it is objectively better than Tombstalker. I still think whichever one you play is meta and playstyle dependent still. I haven't tested TNN mostly because I'd rather avoid playing the card if I can since I personally dislike it.

[HammafistRoob]

I think Confidant is better if you're playing 4 Thoughtseize, so you have a better chance at having him stick around.

[Nocley]

Grats Greg, nice to see someone I know get the trophy if it couldn't be myself (It's Russ). Also, sorry for calling you a turd.

A few questions though.
1. How many times did you flip over Tombstalker to Bob outside of that one time we played?

2. You say you catered towards the blade matchups, how is the matchup against the ones that are more dependent on Lingering Souls and not TNN?

3. Just curious about some card choices - like disfigures over filling out the Abrupt decays MD, maxing out on ponders over more than 1 liliana?

[Razorwynd]

Grats Greg, nice to see someone I know get the trophy if it couldn't be myself (It's Russ). Also, sorry for calling you a turd.

A few questions though.
1. How many times did you flip over Tombstalker to Bob outside of that one time we played?

2. You say you catered towards the blade matchups, how is the matchup against the ones that are more dependent on Lingering Souls and not TNN?

3. Just curious about some card choices - like disfigures over filling out the Abrupt decays MD, maxing out on ponders over more than 1 liliana?

2. As has been discussed before, disfigure is a great way for you to lower you curve and provide you with more action in the early turns of the game. and it kills or helps kill almost all relevant threats. The default list is very heavy at the 2cc slot

3. Delver. Ponder helps flip delver, both blind and set up. (Although I am curious about only a single Liliaina main, my guess is for curve purposes)

[phazonmutant]

Congrats Phazonmutant! So I was just wondering if, between Confidant, TNN, and Stalker,whether one card outperformed the other two or whether one seemed best in most matchups? After testing a Confidant list for a little while now I still can't decide If I like Confidant better than Tombstalker. Confidant has been pretty good but not good enough for me to say it is objectively better than Tombstalker. I still think whichever one you play is meta and playstyle dependent still. I haven't tested TNN mostly because I'd rather avoid playing the card if I can since I personally dislike it.

Eh, they all suck, but sometimes they're exactly what you need. That being said, Bob really sucks against all the non-combo, non-Miracles decks though. It's ok at best against Blade. True Name makes me sad, but he does pitch to Force of Will. I think I've pitched him more times than I've cast him.

Grats Greg, nice to see someone I know get the trophy if it couldn't be myself (It's Russ). Also, sorry for calling you a turd.

Thanks, turd.

1. How many times did you flip over Tombstalker to Bob outside of that one time we played?

None. But come on, read the flavor text on Confidant. Greatness at any cost.

2. You say you catered towards the blade matchups, how is the matchup against the ones that are more dependent on Lingering Souls and not TNN?

Golgari Charm

3. Just curious about some card choices - like disfigures over filling out the Abrupt decays MD, maxing out on ponders over more than 1 liliana?

Disfigure is awesome, Liliana is awesome. Ponder is awesome at finding sweet 1-ofs.

[Esper3k]

Eh, they all suck, but sometimes they're exactly what you need. That being said, Bob really sucks against all the non-combo, non-Miracles decks though. It's ok at best against Blade. True Name makes me sad, but he does pitch to Force of Will. I think I've pitched him more times than I've cast him.

Welcome to TNN-ville. Due to you playing it as a 1-of, you now got us classified as a "TNN deck"!

It -did- win you that Game 3 in the finals! (Let's ignore the fact that you had a huge number of live cards to draw plus your opponent had to keep ripping live topdecks while at 1 life)

[exallium]

Eh, they all suck, but sometimes they're exactly what you need. That being said, Bob really sucks against all the non-combo, non-Miracles decks though. It's ok at best against Blade. True Name makes me sad, but he does pitch to Force of Will. I think I've pitched him more times than I've cast him.



Thanks, turd.



None. But come on, read the flavor text on Confidant. Greatness at any cost.



Golgari Charm



Disfigure is awesome, Liliana is awesome. Ponder is awesome at finding sweet 1-ofs.

Did I see you board out a Bayou vs Aluren in round 7 (I think)? Was wondering what the line of thought is when you do this.

[Esper3k]

Did I see you board out a Bayou vs Aluren in round 7 (I think)? Was wondering what the line of thought is when you do this.

Generally, if you're running the 20 lands manabase, you can board out a land (usually a Bayou) against the non-Wasteland decks since your mana isn't going to be molested.

[exallium]

Generally, if you're running the 20 lands manabase, you can board out a land (usually a Bayou) against the non-Wasteland decks since your mana isn't going to be molested.

Sweet. Definitely something I think is very under-utilized. (Obviously even by me =P)

[nudon]

So today I went 10-0-2 in matches, 20-3 in games at SCG Seattle. This deck is ok. Tournament report forthcoming (although I need to figure out how SCG decides their guest-writer thingy).

Sick! Congrats Greg on the finish! Next up: perfecting rogue hermit. :P

[Benrobnu]

I've been very happy with moving one Lilly to the board for a Disfigure or Spell Pierce depending on what I feel like the meta is going to be.

I'm on 2 TS and was wondering how often people are completely boarding them out against white decks?

[Dragonslayer_90]

I've been very happy with moving one Lilly to the board for a Disfigure or Spell Pierce depending on what I feel like the meta is going to be.

I'm on 2 TS and was wondering how often people are completely boarding them out against white decks?

Depends on the deck really. Against a deck that has swords, Jace, and Rest in Peace I board all of them out. Against a deck with swords and Rest in Peace postboard I usually side one out.

[phazonmutant]

Sick! Congrats Greg on the finish! Next up: perfecting rogue hermit. :P

Haha, or maybe just finishing the primer Sorry I haven't had a chance to finish it! Thanks.


I just submitted my article to Cedric! You guys should be able to read it by midnight EST tonight.

[lordofthepit]

Haha, or maybe just finishing the primer Sorry I haven't had a chance to finish it! Thanks.


I just submitted my article to Cedric! You guys should be able to read it by midnight EST tonight.

[Vyshanti]

Thorhammer, seeing you get the loss due to sleeves was heartbreaking :(

[Vyshanti]

I just submitted my article to Cedric! You guys should be able to read it by midnight EST tonight.

Loved your deck! I might roll into Card Kingdom again on more Mondays...

[Nocley]

Nice article, you going to the Invitational next week? Or waiting until December? Also, any other changes you'd make to that list? Definitely considering going back to this as I'm expecting tons of Delver and Jund in LA this weekend. With that said, I'm taking out Bob for the 4th Goyf as you said, as well as dismember over the disfigure in the board.

[phazonmutant]

Nice article, you going to the Invitational next week? Or waiting until December? Also, any other changes you'd make to that list? Definitely considering going back to this as I'm expecting tons of Delver and Jund in LA this weekend. With that said, I'm taking out Bob for the 4th Goyf as you said, as well as dismember over the disfigure in the board.

Thanks! Nope, I am going to LA though. I've been told LA is pretty combo and Delver heavy, so I'm torn between Bob and Goyf.