[Deck] Deadguy Ale (B/w Confidant)

[Wilkin]

I personally never was a fan of Vial, but I could see it being sweet here. Though DRS and Vial in the same deck seems somewhat redundant

This is true. Richard Cheese is playing a bw vial deck and it's doing well and without DRS.

While the Vial version obviously plays more creatures than traditional Deadguy, I feel it's hard to find a spot for Deathrite. Plus, having Revoker naming Deathrite to further manascrew your opponent on top of wastelands and ports is awesome.

Even in an anti-TNN sideboard meta, Lingering Souls is still an awesome card. It's like 2 cards in 1 and multiple flying threats.

Nice to see a Deadguy deck make top 8 in a SCG. Hoping to do the same in Detroit. Interesting build with the E.tutors and the many many hate bears.

[Megadeus]

What is your build looking like?

[Richard Cheese]

This is true. Richard Cheese is playing a bw vial deck and it's doing well and without DRS.

While the Vial version obviously plays more creatures than traditional Deadguy, I feel it's hard to find a spot for Deathrite. Plus, having Revoker naming Deathrite to further manascrew your opponent on top of wastelands and ports is awesome.

Even in an anti-TNN sideboard meta, Lingering Souls is still an awesome card. It's like 2 cards in 1 and multiple flying threats.

Nice to see a Deadguy deck make top 8 in a SCG. Hoping to do the same in Detroit. Interesting build with the E.tutors and the many many hate bears.

Note that I don't play DRS in my build (at least not currently). My build is also closer to D&T than traditional Deadguy. Vial is pretty important since half your manabase is just being used to screw with the opponent's manabase.

[Wilkin]

Note that I don't play DRS in my build (at least not currently). My build is also closer to D&T than traditional Deadguy. Vial is pretty important since half your manabase is just being used to screw with the opponent's manabase.

Oh for sure. From what I remember of your list, it's basically a black splash for Bob and Thoughtseize right? I like BW Vial over traditional Death and Taxes because you have a proactive option turn 1 and a card advantage engine that white doesn't have. And yeah, While Deathrite is an insane card, it doesn't fit in a Vial deck.

Megadeus, I assume you mean Richard's Decklist. I'm sure it's still on this thread. I like the list and would totally suggest it as a starting point for a BW vial deck.

LOL, speaking of decklists I've had a couple of people in my area wanting to see my decklist as they want to try Deadguy out. I laugh and say, "sure but it plays a lot of cards that most people don't". That and I don't play many 4 of's. Mostly 3's. Only playsets I play are Dark Confidant, Scrubland, Marsh Flats and Swords to Plowshares.

[Megadeus]

Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Large Man

4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Lingering Souls
1 Umezawas Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
3 Thoughtseize
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Abrupt Decay


4 Marsh Flats
4 Bloodstained Mire
3 Scrubland
1 Bayou
2 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Wasteland
2 Isolated Chapel

SB
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Enlightened Tutor
1 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Engineered Plague
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Choke
2 Disenchant
1 Thoughtseize
1 Rest in Peace

his is the list that I have come up with so far. I'm not sure what fatty to run, if I even need one at all, and my thoughts have been between: Tombstalker, Brimalz, Mirran Crusader, and maybe Desecration Demon. Also have thought about dropping a souls and something else for a couple of Tops just because the deck may need a bit of library manipulation

[Wilkin]

With only one green source of mana, I don't think that's enough to support 2 Abrupt Decay. You do run Deathrite Shamans of course, but you can't always rely on them living. And you can afford to run a Karakas.

What is your meta like? I would personally run more GY hate, but that's just personal preference. Out of the big fatties you listed I'd say Brimaz. Crusader is cool and all but IMO much better in a death and taxes build where Mom can protect him. I tried Mirran Crusader and it was kind of meh, it seemed to eat Lightning Bolt a lot. Never tried Desecration Demon. 4 drop I would either go Hero of Bladehold or Elspeth, Knight-Errant.

[Megadeus]

Actually with all of the lands and dredge in my metai could use more GY hate. Which would be best though? RIP or Leyline? I have ETutor so RIP feels right, but opening on leyline feels good. And yeah brimaz does seem pretty solid, but elspeth may be best. Maybe drop decay for like a main board disenchant and like a vindicate? Or maybe a top and a vindicate?

[Wilkin]

Actually with all of the lands and dredge in my metai could use more GY hate. Which would be best though? RIP or Leyline? I have ETutor so RIP feels right, but opening on leyline feels good. And yeah brimaz does seem pretty solid, but elspeth may be best. Maybe drop decay for like a main board disenchant and like a vindicate? Or maybe a top and a vindicate?

I use 2 RIP and 2 Surgical in board. So i have a GY wipe at 2 mana and a free spell for unfair turn 1 shenanigans. I prefer RIP over Leyline. But I don't play E. tutor so you can probably cut to one RIP.

With Brimaz vs Elspeth....it depends. Brimaz is quicker to cast but Elspeth is better in the grindy matchups and is way better vs a deck like Miracles, which seems to be gaining in popularity. Disenchant is ok but I like Vindicate so much. It's a 3 mana catch all spell.....and hey if they don't have anything really good to hit....take out a land. A top is fine too if you want to go that route.

How much show and tell is around where you are? If there is I'd suggest Oblivion Rings instead of Disenchant.

[Will_L]

On the subject of Leyline of the Void versus Rest in Peace...

Rest in Peace is better against Dredge I think. You can blow them out if they go nuts and dredge half their deck without flashing back Dread Return and killing you. If they dump half their deck and then you exile it with RiP you should win. With Leyline they keep their existing graveyard, so if the Claim/Chain your Leyline you may just die. In general I prefer Rest in Peace because I think the ability to exile all existing graveyards (giving it immediate impact) is the big deciding factor.

Leyline of the Void is also bad if you can't turn 0 it. The decks you bring it in against (reanimtor, dredge, maybe TES depending on your MD), slamming it on turn 3 with Deathrite will often not be good enough. God forbid you just tap 4 lands and cast it.

[Megadeus]

I use 2 RIP and 2 Surgical in board. So i have a GY wipe at 2 mana and a free spell for unfair turn 1 shenanigans. I prefer RIP over Leyline. But I don't play E. tutor so you can probably cut to one RIP.

With Brimaz vs Elspeth....it depends. Brimaz is quicker to cast but Elspeth is better in the grindy matchups and is way better vs a deck like Miracles, which seems to be gaining in popularity. Disenchant is ok but I like Vindicate so much. It's a 3 mana catch all spell.....and hey if they don't have anything really good to hit....take out a land. A top is fine too if you want to go that route.

How much show and tell is around where you are? If there is I'd suggest Oblivion Rings instead of Disenchant.

SnT isnt usually too prevalent, though I could see it as a singleton ORing in the board for ETutor. I agree with you on all counts with Brimaz and Elspeth. I was never a huge fan of Surgical in non Snapcaster decks, but a combo of both those and RIP do seem good. Like I said, in my meta it is a lot of loam decks rather than dredge. I just figured that Leyline may be better in those MU's because it can't be decay'd.

[Will_L]

I generally prefer Extirpate in non-blue decks... If you have to push through your hate to win... Extirpate is what you want.

Obviously Surgical is factor and has the "Ooops you lose" factor to it... You are still open to just losing to Force/Spell pierce/w.e.

Basically... If I am playing a non blue deck, something you can't protect Surgical with Force/Daze/Pierce... I prefer Extirpate. Yes, it's one more mana... but it pretty close to guarantees you from losing... Dependent on the match up of course.

In a B/W(g) deck I would for sure play Extirpate over Surgical Extraction... Even though both have their benefits.

[Megadeus]

Extirpate actually seems solid vs Loam decks since they can't cycle in response to save loam.

[Wilkin]

Well if Loam decks are in your meta, than yeah Extirpate is better. A good loam player will always seem to have a mana open for a cycling land. I prefer the Surgical because it's free and is castable on their turn 1. Faced plenty of Reanimator and Tin Fins....

Just a preference. Like my Shriekmaws. lol. Why just yesterday I killed an Emrakul off a show and tell. The funny part was I knew he had the Show and Tell and Emrakul in hand when I surgical extracted his Brainstorm. So I had to really try and sell being sad. :D

[Megadeus]

Shriekmaw actually seems pretty sweet. Late game you get to just kill off like a Goyf then use Fear to walk past TNNs and such. Seems sweet.

[vizari]

Hey guys, just wanted to get a critique on the deck I just put together. I'm trying it without Wastelands, but I'm not sure if they're needed. If I were to use them, I'd probably want to use 2x Loam as well. But I don't feel like that's the theme of the deck. 1/1 Fliers, pump with the sword/jitte/elspeth, and widdle down their hand. I still have Vindicate for Land if the opportunity presents itself, but it wouldnt be my main focus. I kind of feel like splitting HD and LD is a bit ambitious for this kind of deck. But yea, discarding their cheap spells and wasting them to keep them off mana for their expensive spells is effective too. Perhaps 2 Wastes? This is very similar to MBSegal's posted list a few pages back.

Artifact (3)
1xBatterskull
1xSword of Fire and Ice
1xUmezawa's Jitte

Creature (15)
3xDark Confidant
4xDeathrite Shaman
2xGatekeeper of Malakir
4xStoneforge Mystic
2xTidehollow Sculler

Enchantment (2)
1xSylvan Library
1xBitterblossom

Instant (8)
3xAbrupt Decay
4xSwords to Plowshares
1xZealous Persecution

Planeswalker (4)
1xElspeth, Knight-Errant
3xLiliana of the Veil

Sorcery (11)
3xInquisition of Kozilek
3xLingering Souls
3xThoughtseize
2xVindicate

Land (18)
2xBayou
2xIsolated Chapel
4xMarsh Flats
1xPlains
2xPolluted Delta
4xScrubland
3xSwamp

SIDEBOARD
Creature (8)
2xPhyrexian Revoker
2xEthersworn Canonist
2xQasali Pridemage
2xLifebane Zombie

Enchantment (4)
1xChains of Mephistopheles
2xHumility
1x Rest in Piece

Instant (3)
2xSurgical Extraction
1xZealous Persecution

[Megadeus]

Played this list tonight at the local and went 2-1-1 and won in top 8

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Restoration Angel

4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Lingering Souls
1 Umezawas Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
4 Thoughtseize
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Vindicate

4 Marsh Flats
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
4 Scrubland
1 Bayou
2 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Wasteland
1 Cave of Koilos (couldnt find a chapel in time, though I didnt hate the cave)

SB
1 Zealous Persecution
2 Enlightened Tutor
1 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Engineered Plague
2 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Choke
1 Rest in Peace
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Krosan Grip
1 Perish

Deck is a blast. I never got to cast Angel unfortunately :/ I dont think I need the second basic plains. Probably will become another dual of some sort. 2 Hymn was also meh. May change them for something, though not sure what. 4 Waste was awesome. I wouldnt leave home without them. Vindicate was Decay, but last minute I switched it up. It was a fine card all night, though 2 may be too many. Zealous and Orzhov Pontiff were both awesome. I dont think I want more than 1 ETutor. Card seems bad. May make the second ETutor into another Revoker or something. Might also drop a Resto Angel for Sorin/Elspeth.

Late Edit:

What is our best way to fight the lands/loam Marit Lage decks? Just have souls to chump him and hope the rest of our men can get there? Or hope on board open Wasteland is good enough? That is the one deck I lost to, the "farmville" Bant Lands deck that T16'd the GP Paris.

[Valech]

Played this list tonight at the local and went 2-1-1 and won in top 8

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
4 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Tidehollow Sculler
2 Restoration Angel

4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Lingering Souls
1 Umezawas Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull
4 Thoughtseize
2 Hymn to Tourach
2 Vindicate

4 Marsh Flats
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Windswept Heath
4 Scrubland
1 Bayou
2 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Wasteland
1 Cave of Koilos (couldnt find a chapel in time, though I didnt hate the cave)

SB
1 Zealous Persecution
2 Enlightened Tutor
1 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Engineered Plague
2 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Choke
1 Rest in Peace
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Krosan Grip
1 Perish

Deck is a blast. I never got to cast Angel unfortunately :/ I dont think I need the second basic plains. Probably will become another dual of some sort. 2 Hymn was also meh. May change them for something, though not sure what. 4 Waste was awesome. I wouldnt leave home without them. Vindicate was Decay, but last minute I switched it up. It was a fine card all night, though 2 may be too many. Zealous and Orzhov Pontiff were both awesome. I dont think I want more than 1 ETutor. Card seems bad. May make the second ETutor into another Revoker or something. Might also drop a Resto Angel for Sorin/Elspeth.

Late Edit:

What is our best way to fight the lands/loam Marit Lage decks? Just have souls to chump him and hope the rest of our men can get there? Or hope on board open Wasteland is good enough? That is the one deck I lost to, the "farmville" Bant Lands deck that T16'd the GP Paris.

Awesome results.
Regarding lands loam:
Rest in Peace! Mull agressively for that. Even if they pack an answer to it, it will stall them long enough for you to get an advantage (or a second Rest in Peace). If they run the Punishing Fire engine (which they probably do) taking out a burnwillow grove is only a solution at early stages of the game. one they are mana fed just don´t bother wasting them unless your RIP is on the field. Also, Deathrite Shaman can eat Life from the Loam and Punishing Fire. If no Punishing Fire involved, Shaman will force him to make sub par plays to avoid his LftL being exiled. In other words: He most likely doesn´t want his LftL in his GY during your turn. If facing Punishing Fire, just stack up your threats for a bit and make him either decide which threat to take out or to empty his whole mana to cleansen the board. Lingering Souls works wonders pressure-wise.

Against Marit Lage you from time to time simply have bad luck. Dark Depths + Urborg + Hexmage = Turn 2 Marit Lage. To prevent that, Revoker on Hexmage, Needle on Thespian Stage and a RIP on the field will block him out. Remember, Shaman again can eat away Stages and Dark Depths. Your Wasteland gets really Strong here in conjunction.

[Megadeus]

True. Maybe instead of Revoker I will go -1 ETutor +1 RIP.

[ThediscoPower]

True. Maybe instead of Revoker I will go -1 ETutor +1 RIP.

I had a question. How is 4 lingering souls treating you? I myself am considering running this deck in the near future, but I am debating about running that many lingering souls with deathrite shaman everywhere. I was thinking about running 3 or 2, and try something else instead, like Brimaz for instance (not sold on him, but i'm willing to test him out). If you want, my question is, did 4 copies of lingering souls feel like it was too much?

Also, Congrats for the good result!!

[Megadeus]

I had a question. How is 4 lingering souls treating you? I myself am considering running this deck in the near future, but I am debating about running that many lingering souls with deathrite shaman everywhere. I was thinking about running 3 or 2, and try something else instead, like Brimaz for instance (not sold on him, but i'm willing to test him out). If you want, my question is, did 4 copies of lingering souls feel like it was too much?

Also, Congrats for the good result!!

My meta is pretty slow right now, not much fast combo outside of a dredge deck or two, so I can get away with running more higher casting things. But lets just say I never felt like I wanted less lingering souls last night. Having a few more high drops than average did get me to a low life total a few times with Bob though.