[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

[ESG]

Impressive collection of data. Thanks for sharing it.

For the most recent Open, I didn't hear the player number announced at the start of the event, so I used the Round 1 pairings on SCG's site to determine the total. I'm guessing that two players dropped or were MIA before Round 1 pairings commenced. (Or maybe were DQ'd?) I know that the announcer was trying to locate two people around that time. Maybe that explains the minor discrepancy in our numbers.

[lordofthepit]

Impressive collection of data. Thanks for sharing it.

For the most recent Open, I didn't hear the player number announced at the start of the event, so I used the Round 1 pairings on SCG's site to determine the total. I'm guessing that two players dropped or were MIA before Round 1 pairings commenced. (Or maybe were DQ'd?) I know that the announcer was trying to locate two people around that time. Maybe that explains the minor discrepancy in our numbers.

Yeah, there's often some discrepancy, but I tend to use the number of players listed at the end of round 1 standings. For some of the older events, I've used TCDecks, but I recently found their event archive page, so I am considering re-checking the numbers when I have the chance.

[Higgs]

I think you should create a new thread about this (SCG Legacy attendance numbers or "the Legacy health graphic!") and make it sticky. Pretty good stuff.

[Kayradis]

Let's just be honest with ourselves here.
WotC doesn't give a damn f*ck about legacy. Even if there is a strong interest and an ever growing player base, WotC is a real honey badger when it comes to Legacy (Im fairly convinced they see it like an illegitimate slightly retarded child they hide in the cave...).

That, surprisingly, is to our advantage. The fact that the dumbasses running this game don't care keeps them away from the banlist and screwing everything up every couple months. It makes us more aware and pushing for solutions when cards like TNN are printed. Jeez. Im running 2 x MD Runed Halo in D&T right now. The card is even spiking at this point.

Im running entry-level legacy events with staples as prizes to increase card availability and it's been a success.
Low entry fee (15$) high payout and everybody is having a blast. People are trying deck, people are investing in cards, people are winning high value cards (duals).

Its up to us, the community, to prove WotC how stupid they are to believe legacy is a dead format.
Legacy is a gentleman's sport.
It's like......Polo!
It's expensive to own a horse, but once you have it, you'll play the hell outta that sport!

[Megadeus]

I'm interested in seeing what SCG restocks on Wastelands at. Which are at 142 on TCG lol lol lol

Also CHains of Mephistopheles is almost at 250 now TCG.

[prateta]

Wastelands at 140 TCG mid? Time to quit, this is beyond stupid lol.

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[prateta]

Autumn Willow from $0.5 to $15 in one day. Can someone explain?

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[Lemnear]

Autumn Willow from $0.5 to $15 in one day. Can someone explain?

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No one can explain modern and commander speculation. It's complete madness and anyone buying cards now in panic is fucking stupid.

[Barook]

I'm interested in seeing what SCG restocks on Wastelands at. Which are at 142 on TCG lol lol lol

Seriously, what the fuck?

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Tempest/Wasteland

That's a 45$ price jump since Sunday - and that aren't even SCG prices. I smell market manipulation.

[prateta]

No one can explain modern and commander speculation. It's complete madness and anyone buying cards now in panic is fucking stupid.

Well MKM is emptying. If stores will start to buy them even for $5 that's at least 600% profit of each one you buy now. Sounds good to me if you buy like 50 of them :-D

[Lemnear]

Well MKM is emptying. If stores will start to buy them even for $5 that's at least 600% profit of each one you buy now. Sounds good to me if you buy like 50 of them :-D

Indeed. MCM runs dry on cards atm. It frightens me.

[prateta]

Indeed. MCM runs dry on cards atm. It frightens me.

Well I ordered my 4 playsets. Maybe I am stupid, but man's got to eat. :-D I payed avg 0,3 euro per one. It's almost free.

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Autumn Willow from $0.5 to $15 in one day. Can someone explain?

I looked for an appropriate Dafug picture, but got lazy before I found one. So imagine me shocked.
Are you saying me that Autumn Willoow went so high? I simply can't believe that. I immediatelly bought four just in case I'd need them. (Which in fact I will.) And I'm going for Kaysa. Four. No less.

This is insane. Insane! INSANE!

[Arsenal]

$140 Wasteland is irritating. I mean, if you haven't already gotten in, you likely never will with the way these prices are skyrocketing with no obvious end in sight. Remember the days when Vial/Port/Wasteland decks were the "cheap" alternative to dual-heavy decks?

[Admiral_Arzar]

$140 Wasteland is irritating. I mean, if you haven't already gotten in, you likely never will with the way these prices are skyrocketing with no obvious end in sight. Remember the days when Vial/Port/Wasteland decks were the "cheap" alternative to dual-heavy decks?

Yeah, I remember when Goblins and Merfolk both cost $500 or less to assemble. Those days are apparently behind us.

[prateta]

I looked for an appropriate Dafug picture, but got lazy before I found one. So imagine me shocked.
Are you saying me that Autumn Willoow went so high? I simply can't believe that. I immediatelly bought four just in case I'd need them. (Which in fact I will.) And I'm going for Kaysa. Four. No less.

This is insane. Insane! INSANE!

Indeed it is. Why Kaysa though?

Yeah, I remember when Goblins and Merfolk both cost $500 or less to assemble. Those days are apparently behind us.

Far behind. No sane person would buy into tier 1 legacy right now. Who would spend $2-3k for a deck? In the last 6 months prices of all staples went sky-high. This will continue, no doubts, and as has been said before - who haven't bought in few years ago, never will. This isn't matter of Legacy only, this shit will hurt Modern too.

And as reprints never come, I see no reason to continue in constructed MtG (except of Pauper, which is suprisingly fun a super cheap). I guess I'll be sitting on my legacy cards for a while and then buy out, as I'm tired of playing 1 or 2 decks all the time and will never be able to play blue decks in Legacy. Well I could but I'd rather buy a flat.

[Koby]

I want us all to exercise some critical thinking in this thread. For starters, when referring to TCGplayer or MTGStocks.com prices, also note the quantity available, or frequency of hits in that price range.

Example:

• Autumn Willow has one seller with quantity 4 at $15. Daily historical shows copies at <$0.50 yesterday (3/18/14)
• Wasteland has multiple sellers with quantity >4 around $140. Historical shows a gradual uptrend over 3 months.

One of these is legitimate demand. The other is market manipulation or unrealistic pricing. Please only discuss the one with legitimate price creep, and back up the discussion with both price AND quantity.

Useful links:
www.mtgstocks.com/interests
www.mtgprice.com
www.apathyhouse.com
magic.tcgplayer.com

[Bed Decks Palyer]

Indeed it is. Why Kaysa though?

Rare Reserved Rebecca. Breaks Erhnams' stalls. Bolt proof. Wow.

[Benrobnu]

Indeed it is. Why Kaysa though?

Far behind. No sane person would buy into tier 1 legacy right now. Who would spend $2-3k for a deck? In the last 6 months prices of all staples went sky-high. This will continue, no doubts, and as has been said before - who haven't bought in few years ago, never will. This isn't matter of Legacy only, this shit will hurt Modern too.

No sane person would spend 2-3k fixed amount on a hobby with no real additional costs and potential for a significant return? I think you need to reexamine this premise

[prateta]

No sane person would spend 2-3k fixed amount on a hobby with no real additional costs and potential for a significant return? I think you need to reexamine this premise

If you put it like this, it actually makes sense. I have to rephrase then: Not many people can afford to spend 3k fixed on a hobby. Which is ok, sure, I'm no commie. But buy-ins that high are hurting eternal formats. But this has been said too many times, no need to repeat that. We should be bitching about prices in this topic, and those are damn high! :-D

I'm just wondering... what triggered this massive price increase we are experiencing in the past few months?