[Primer] Elves!

[Julian23]

Streaming the Legacy DE with #Elves! Join us over at http://twitch.tv/itsJulian and let's have some fun trying out Zombie's tech of Bitterblossom!

[danyul]

I'm at work and cant watch . But please do let us know how that tech works out!

[yaWgnorW]

I know its only been a day roughly, any thing to share on Bitterblossom? I tired it online, but never found any relevant match ups where I would want it anyway.

[Zombie]

Our resident control player went to play board games, and from what I could see it didn't get to do any work vs. Miracles on stream either.

[Berger]

Im curious about those Bitterblossom. Can u guys tell me how does it work against other matchups? not only miracles?

[igri_is_a_bk]

Im curious about those Bitterblossom. Can u guys tell me how does it work against other matchups? not only miracles?

I understand the logic behind BB, but why would our deck need it? We already play 30 creatures. Yes you can rebuild with a single BB after a sweeper, but you can also rebuild with a single Elf if you're playing Jitte. I really think we're missing Jitte from the aggro equation, not more dudes. My plan for like a year against Miracles has been Jitte and Sylvan Library which is now supplemented by Needle.

[yaWgnorW]

I understand the logic behind BB, but why would our deck need it? We already play 30 creatures. Yes you can rebuild with a single BB after a sweeper, but you can also rebuild with a single Elf if you're playing Jitte. I really think we're missing Jitte from the aggro equation, not more dudes. My plan for like a year against Miracles has been Jitte and Sylvan Library which is now supplemented by Needle.

Would you share your board? And do you put Jitte or Library into any other match up?

[Zombie]

I understand the logic behind BB, but why would our deck need it? We already play 30 creatures. Yes you can rebuild with a single BB after a sweeper, but you can also rebuild with a single Elf if you're playing Jitte. I really think we're missing Jitte from the aggro equation, not more dudes. My plan for like a year against Miracles has been Jitte and Sylvan Library which is now supplemented by Needle.

Jitte could be pretty amazing. I'll test the Blossoms some anyway just to see what's up, even if it's nothing. I fucking hate that Terminus is a shuffle and not a destroy, Oath of Ghouls would be hilarious otherwise. But yeah, Library and Jitte does seem solid and has better applications vs. Delver and the like.

[dte]

I do not see why Jitte should be so amazing against miracle?
To have any effect it should have counters, and then boost a creature which should not be killed. It seems narrow for me.

Library/choke/winter orb/planeswalkers are all great cards against miracle. The problem is that they are almost only good against miracle (except choke).

[yaWgnorW]

I do not see why Jitte should be so amazing against miracle?
To have any effect it should have counters, and then boost a creature which should not be killed. It seems narrow for me.

Library/choke/winter orb/planeswalkers are all great cards against miracle. The problem is that they are almost only good against miracle (except choke).

I like Winter Orb in a variety of fair match ups, but probably not something I'd choose over other cards.

[Tammit67]

Top 4 split the 100+ man 40 duals event in Coopersburg PA today. Played against BUG delver, Death and Taxes, Lands, RUG delver(?), Lands again. Double ID later played RUG delver for entry into top 4.

A Comedy Of Errors:

4x Deathrite Shaman
1x Llanowar Elves

4x Quirion Ranger
4x Wirewood Symbiote
4x Elvish Visionary

2x Birchlore Rangers
3x Heritage Druid
4x Nettle Sentinel

2x Craterhoof Behemoth
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Viridian Shaman

4x Gaea's Cradle
2x Dryad Arbor
2x Bayou
1x Tropical Island
2x Forest

2x Misty Rainforest
3x Windswept Heath
2x Verdant Catacombs

4x Glimpse of Nature
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Natural Order


Sideboard
3x Abrupt Decay
1x Progenitus
2x Pithing Needle
3x Swan Song
3x Thoughtseize
2x Disfigure
1x Scavenging ooze

Oozes, Quirion ranger, and Viridian Shaman MVPs. Disfigure killed delvers often enough to let my engines take over. See you guys at SCG Somerset

[Yanley]

Last week, I played in a 10-man legacy event in our local store and I won my three initial rounds and then drew in the last round.

In sequence, these were the matchups:

Round 1: Dredge

Game 1: He was able to strip my hand of two natural orders and one green sun zenith but he had only a narcomeba and some dredgers in the graveyard. With a few creatures in play and a Gaea's cradle, I topdeck a visionary to a scavenging ooze and promptly ate the relevant spells in his graveyard. He scoops as the ooze became a 6/6 all of a sudden.

Game 2: Turn-2 Elesh Norn sucks.

Game 3: I was able to kill him on turn 3 with NO to hoof. Prior to that, I used two thoughtseizes to remove relevant card draw spells.


Round 2: SnT

Game 1: I needed one more turn to attack or lethal but he then goes for a sneak attack into Griselbrand into Emrakul.

Game 2: Nothing much. He was stuck on two lands as I went for a turn 4 kill.

Game 3: Ruric Thar won me the game (though I'm not sure about Ruric being good against SnT. Need feedback on this).


Round 3: UG Infect

Game 1: He only casted two hierarchs while I go for a turn 3 NO kill.

Game 2: I died pretty quickly due to 2 invigorates on a blighted agent (unblockable infect dude)

Game 3: I was able to use two abrupt decays to kill two infect creatures and that bought me time to hard-cast Craterhoof.


Round 4: BUG (non-Shardless) ID

If I may ask, what is the gameplan against BUG? They have a lot of boardwipe when it's Game 2 and 3 in the form of Toxic Deluge and Golgari Charm. Is N O-Prog the main gameplan?


This is the decklist I've been piloting for over a month now. (61 cards by the way)

4x Deathrite Shaman
4x Wirewood Symbiote
4x Elvish Visionary
4x Quirion Ranger
3x Nettle Sentinel
4x Heritage Druid
1x Birchlore Rangers
1x Llanowar Elves
1x Scavenging Ooze
2x Craterhoof Behemoth
1x Ruric Thar, the Unbowed.

4x GSZ
4x Glimpse of Nature
3x Natural Order

2x Bayou
1x Tropical Island
4x Windswept Heath
3x Verdant Catacombs
2x Misty Rainforest
2x Forest
2x Dryad Arbor
4x Gaea's Cradle

Sideboard:

3x Abrupt Decay
3x Swan Song
1x Cabal Therapy
3x Thoughtseize
1x Tormod's Crypt
2x Pithing Needle
1x Natural Order
1x Progenitus

[t3hdh]

Round 4: BUG (non-Shardless) ID

If I may ask, what is the gameplan against BUG? They have a lot of boardwipe when it's Game 2 and 3 in the form of Toxic Deluge and Golgari Charm. Is N O-Prog the main gameplan?

I have been having success vs BUG and JUND by adding World Spine Wurm for Natural Order, as I found they could sometimes afford to Toxic Deluge Progenitus away.

[PendelSteven]

I have been having success vs BUG and JUND by adding World Spine Wurm for Natural Order, as I found they could sometimes afford to Toxic Deluge Progenitus away.

Yesterday I won a small local tournament! Let me start the decklist with my sideboard:

3 Abrupt Decay
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Gaddog Teeg
1 Natural Order
1 Progenitus
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Thoughtseize
1 WORLDSPINE WURM

Maindeck:
1 Birchlore Rangers
2 Craterhoof Behemoth
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Elvish Visionary
2 'Llanowar Elves Or Functional Reprint Of It' (I refer to it as LEOFROI personally)
3 Heritage Druid
4 Nettle Sentinel
4 Quirion Ranger
1 Viridian Shaman
4 Wirewood Symbiote

4 Glimpse Of Nature
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Natural Order

2 Bayou
2 Dryad Arbo[u]r
2 Forest
4 Gaea's Cradle
1 Savannah
9 'Fetchlands'

Played this sunday in Antwerp. In the store there was also The Belgian Blegh-Ih-Oh Championship. I'm not sure if the montly Blegh-Ih-Oh constructed therefore fired nor the Vanguard, but we had 11 dedicated Magic Players who came to play Legacy, including 2 foreigners if you include me (but since I live 6 km from the border, considering me a foreigner is a tad... well you know / can gather how borderlife feels) - the other a Brussels based Italian, hèhè.

Here's how the caper came down :).

Round 1 vs Ronan - Mono Red Goblins

I met Ronan two months ago. Since then I've seen him in a Mox Trial I went to in Ghent as well. The stores we play in have a ranking and currently he is level 1 - just like me. This means we both can win something in a raffle and if we go to an Open Event we get a Coca Cola product free. Great. But how did the match fare?
Well, Game 1 I went off with Glimpse Of Nature after he had Sharpshooter online. 1-0.
Game 2 I think I NO--> Progetinus when he fetched Sharpshooter. 2-0.
Basicly vs Goblins it's all about the Sharpshooter and I think I now know how an ANT player feels when pressured by aggro or combo :).

Macthresult: 1-0 (2-0)


Round 2 vs Nick - U/B Reanimator

Apparently Nick is a friend of the next two opponents I would play and this was his first tournament. I heard he wanted to play R/B Reanimator but was convinced by them he should play Blue/Black. I dunno, man.

I think I went off with Glimpse game 2 and game 1 I guess I played Craterhoof hardcasted? Just attacked with elves and such? i dunno. Anyhow:

Matchresult 2-0 (4-0)

Round 3 vs Johan - U/B Reanimator

Notice a trend here? Well. I think I won game 1, lost game 2 and eventually we went to time in game 3 and Johan concluded that he shouldn't play SnT to put his Griselbrand, because that way he could lose if I had a Progenitus, Worldspine Wurm or even Craterhoof: he had Iona out and a 1/1 was at 6 and I was at 20 with a Scavenging Ooze with a counter on it, Dryad Arbour and Visionary out, I think. Yeah. So combat math makes if he attacked with Iona he would lose due to ScOoze eating the two dead 1/1's.
... Now I didn't have a fattie in hand, so he could play the Show and Tell, but even then: another 1/1 wouldn't change combat much if even (does it? It wasn't my choice to offer a draw :)... Anyhow. We drew. See the end result why this was good for both of us.

Matchresult: 2-0-1 (5-2-1)

Round 4 vs Steve (pronounced like you think) - U/B Reanmator

Steve sort of excused him for the bad matchup when he won round 1 smilingly.
I thoughtseized him twice in game 1, then he Show And Tell his Iona and I my Progenitus. Good game, dude. 1-1.
Round 3 I sort of went the control-aggro route with some discard and a Massacre from his side somewhere near the end. I proceded to hardcast a Craterhoof eventually and took the game down. 2-0.

Endresult: 3-0-1 (7-3-1)

Now, Johan from the round before also ended 3-0-1 and Steve ended 3-0. In the end I won because Johan played vs the last ranked player.
Looking back, this mean Johan went from level 1 to level 2, I think and kept Steve just at level 5. I guess that's why Johan didn't want to risk a loss. Hehe :). And to be fair: every Reanimator player who thinks Elves is a pushover should be punished. Like Steve. So there :D.

... But hey: I won twice and drew once agains Reanimator. That's enough reason for Elves to win a tourney, right?!? :D

[Togores]

It was the national yu-gi-oh championship ^^


Friend of me was playing there ended 4th^^

[Yanley]

So with that in mind, i should tormod's for worldspine? How about a second ooze?

[yaWgnorW]

Oozes, Quirion ranger, and Viridian Shaman MVPs. Disfigure killed delvers often enough to let my engines take over. See you guys at SCG Somerset

I've been running Ooze main for a reasonable amount of time, never disappointing to see it honestly. I was on the verge of cutting it back to the board before having a run of success with it on MODO. For anyone that hasn't tried it or never felt the need too, I consider having it along the same reasoning as having Viridian Shaman main. So many game 1's turned around by this guy. Needless to say it will accompany me main deck to my next legacy outing the 31st.

I am interested in that 2nd Ooze in your board. Looks like you played a good amount of decks that 2 Oozes would be amazing against. I may consider it.

I have been having success vs BUG and JUND by adding World Spine Wurm for Natural Order, as I found they could sometimes afford to Toxic Deluge Progenitus away.

When WsW came around for the SnT mu I immediately tried it against JUND and various other non-white decks. Thing is, I realized I never really struggled with JUND unless they got the god hand of some combination of multiple thoughtseize + hymn, with Pfire + grove and Lili as the icing on the cake (This only happened once). But I didn't think about the Toxic Deluge having less success against WsW versus Progenitus. Honestly I haven't come across this situation either, but its nice to have the thought for consideration.

[PendelSteven]

Scavenging Ooze > Tormod's Crypt

Personally I would rather swap my Gaddog Teeg out for a 2nd ScOoze in the board.

Worldspine Wurm is our castlebale version of a SnT-wrecker which also is great as a 2nd (or 1st, depending on the matchup) Progenitus. And 11 mana is actually hardcastable in Elves!

[Tammit67]

I've been running Ooze main for a reasonable amount of time, never disappointing to see it honestly. I was on the verge of cutting it back to the board before having a run of success with it on MODO. For anyone that hasn't tried it or never felt the need too, I consider having it along the same reasoning as having Viridian Shaman main. So many game 1's turned around by this guy. Needless to say it will accompany me main deck to my next legacy outing the 31st.

I am interested in that 2nd Ooze in your board. Looks like you played a good amount of decks that 2 Oozes would be amazing against. I may consider it.

I was fortunate to have played against decks I hedged against with disfigures and Oozes. I loved how the Oozes and the disfigures force the delver decks to play a slower game, a grinder game. As soon as I can force them into that game plan, deathrite and untaps take over if symbiote/visionary or natural order haven't yet.

It was exactly as you said: So many game 1 dynamics turn on their head by having access to it via GSZ. Ruric Thar wasn't as impressive for me so at first I was trying out Ezuri, renegade leader in hopes to find him an all in one answer to rough/tumble or golgari charm but he was incredibly lackluster.

I don't expect people to play lands twice at their next 7 round event, but delver a couple times +/- 1 graveyard deck? Sure.

[yaWgnorW]

I was fortunate to have played against decks I hedged against with disfigures and Oozes. I loved how the Oozes and the disfigures force the delver decks to play a slower game, a grinder game. As soon as I can force them into that game plan, deathrite and untaps take over if symbiote/visionary or natural order haven't yet.

It was exactly as you said: So many game 1 dynamics turn on their head by having access to it via GSZ. Ruric Thar wasn't as impressive for me so at first I was trying out Ezuri, renegade leader in hopes to find him an all in one answer to rough/tumble or golgari charm but he was incredibly lackluster.

I don't expect people to play lands twice at their next 7 round event, but delver a couple times +/- 1 graveyard deck? Sure.

Regarding Ruric Thar, and I say this knowing there are many Ruric Thar supporters here, I just can't get on the main deck Ruric kick. Game 1 has never brought me a Ruric win, whereas 2 & 3 have. I do acknowledge it's strengths, I'm just the player that never got to witness it. The only reason I tried out Ezuri was to have a low cost GSZ target for those grindy, high removal based games. He served his purpose for that but was once again cut as it was inconsistent (some point early last year I did this). I just found myself wanting to GSZ for either part of the best friends combo more, which to me often proved the stronger, more consistent choice.

Anyway, the disfigures your running are interesting. Another consideration to look into. To be honest I'm going to be focusing on this Sylvan Library stuff spoken about on the previous page before testing anything else.