[Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm

[Dr Brian Pepper]

Usually I empty my hand as well as the warrens if going for Goblins. This deck has no space for cute and situational win-more cards

Idk, I feel like it gives you a better match up versus deck that can deal with empty, and I guess I can see it as a win-more but I have noticed that in a lot of games I have burning wish as the last card in my hand and sometimes I just kill them in 1 turn with 8 goblins

[Asthereal]

Idk, I feel like it gives you a better match up versus deck that can deal with empty, and I guess I can see it as a win-more but I have noticed that in a lot of games I have burning wish as the last card in my hand and sometimes I just kill them in 1 turn with 8 goblins

If your EtW army doesn't get there, you can always use the Wish to get the Grapeshot to shoot at their last points of life.
Grapeshot has more purposes though, like killing Gaddock Teeg, Thalia and so on. Goblin War Stike really has only that one use.

[Mhenlo]

I would play Chain Lightning over Goblin War Strike, atleast it can kill hate bears and can be sided in too. Although like everyone else I think Grapeshot is enough.

[Bryant Cook]

There's also the option to Burning Wish for Thoughtseize if they tutored up Batterskull or something else of the like.

In other news, I'll be in Providence this weekend and the invitational next weekend. Expect some showers.

[Niggurath]

There's also the option to Burning Wish for Thoughtseize if they tutored up Batterskull or something else of the like.

In other news, I'll be in Providence this weekend and the invitational next weekend. Expect some showers.

Are you planning to write a report? It would be great.

[Bryant Cook]

Are you planning to write a report? It would be great.

Let's see how I do first.

[Dice_Box]

Let's hope well enough to warrant something entertaining gets written.

[Tammit67]

Idk, I feel like it gives you a better match up versus deck that can deal with empty, and I guess I can see it as a win-more but I have noticed that in a lot of games I have burning wish as the last card in my hand and sometimes I just kill them in 1 turn with 8 goblins

How the hell do you make 8 goblins turn 1 without LED?

BW or IT = 2 mana
Empty = 4 mana

Land drop gets you 1 mana. You need 5 more mana with 2 spells and have to R or RR (if BW is the tutor). I don't think 8 goblins are possible to produce without Simian Spirit guide

[Holly]

Volc, Rite, Rite, Petal/Probe/Led/Mox, natural EtW.

[pcalexander]

He may have just meant in any one turn, not specifically turn 1, but I could be reading it wrong.

p.c.

[Lemnear]

How the hell do you make 8 goblins turn 1 without LED?

BW or IT = 2 mana
Empty = 4 mana

Land drop gets you 1 mana. You need 5 more mana with 2 spells and have to R or RR (if BW is the tutor). I don't think 8 goblins are possible to produce without Simian Spirit guide

You ask the wrong question, Matt. The questions which needs to be asked for this scenario is how EtW is grabbed if there is still a Burning Wish left in his hand. That limits the scenarios to BW + EtW + at least 4 mana + at least 3 mana to follow up with War Strike and raises the question why the mana wasn't spend to make more goblins in the first place (precious wish for TS for example) or a second which includes 2 Wishes + 6 mana + at least 3 mana to follow up with War Strike.

Both scenarios are not only unlikely, but also hint towards inefficient use of resources and cards and left me wondering why the otherwise leftover wish wasn't cast prior to the storm spell or used to fetch a Grapeshot/Thoughtseize to defend the goblins or to finish his opponent.

It just doesn't make sense in the slightest

[Dr Brian Pepper]

How the hell do you make 8 goblins turn 1 without LED?

BW or IT = 2 mana
Empty = 4 mana

Land drop gets you 1 mana. You need 5 more mana with 2 spells and have to R or RR (if BW is the tutor). I don't think 8 goblins are possible to produce without Simian Spirit guide

It's usually when I open up with empty, its actual not too far fetched at all. Like a probe/petal/dark ritual/empty will do it, but ya if i ever tutor turn 1 its because im using LED.

[Dr Brian Pepper]

You ask the wrong question, Matt. The questions which needs to be asked for this scenario is how EtW is grabbed if there is still a Burning Wish left in his hand. That limits the scenarios to BW + EtW + at least 4 mana + at least 3 mana to follow up with War Strike and raises the question why the mana wasn't spend to make more goblins in the first place (precious wish for TS for example) or a second which includes 2 Wishes + 6 mana + at least 3 mana to follow up with War Strike.

Both scenarios are not only unlikely, but also hint towards inefficient use of resources and cards and left me wondering why the otherwise leftover wish wasn't cast prior to the storm spell or used to fetch a Grapeshot/Thoughtseize to defend the goblins or to finish his opponent.

It just doesn't make sense in the slightest

Were have an empty in our main deck lol, and I usually do look to protect the spell. But if I probe them, and they have no interaction (which happens), I'm not going to waste resources just to strip a card out of their hand, even if it is a difference of 4 goblins. I admit, the turn 1 goblin turn to wish for war strike is unlikely, but I have noticed that building up and creating your hand is for sure possible turn 3 to get goblins and kill them.

[Dice_Box]

How often would War Strike help you win a game you would have lost? It feels like most of the time the card is useful, you have firm control of the board.

[Pelikanudo]

@Dr Brian Pepper

try also Reprocess for that purpose. http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Ca...tiverseid=5558
Joke.

@People in general and mainly Lemnear, Bryant, Togores, and F.Fortune and Bahamut:

I think I've finally found my stable side:
I think at least I prefer to play 3 A.Decay and not pyroblast.

I've seen so many Storm player loosing also to a Senseis plus Fluster on top so many times...
A.Decay provides protection for: C.B., Senseis, M.M. and Canonist.
I really find Vendilion not as important as those below.

I don't usually use Pyro as a card vs counters, absolutly I prefer discard for this role, so the unique role that accomplishes pyro is in tempo and to be proactive vs c.b. an vs Vencilion, threat that is not as powerfull vs us.

I've been testing several combinations vs miracles and winning goes through WinAsFast or LooseToCBUnLessDecay,

I am still debating about the way to side when you start and when you don't.

Another point: I was testing the 3Gemstone 5 Fetch Setting and tested it in a 50 torunament, I really idn't notice the difference, I'm not sure if to change to 4Gemstone, maybe I'll do so, the first 3 games were vs 3 Jund and in sme I drew several fetch which were usefull. won 6-0 vs all, lost vs a BlueInfect Deck... won 1st game but loose maybe due to that fetch and becyase I sided the Xantid, in here I would have preferred even more discard... and loose vs Togores paisano! in a shitty and awfull games, maybe should have mulliganed but I was in a hurry - needed to go and also f*** from before game... I think I'll go for 4 gemstone again - Bahamut - Lemnear would you play 3 gemstone 5 fetch in the Opening Post List?

playing storm with discard and next evenmore discard has been a great strategy vs SneakAttack and vs Reanimator sometimes I would have preferred discard instead the xantid, so I still keep the 2 pyro as they are great vs Patriot and RUG, so don't worry about omnishow with leylines which is the unique deck and even isn't played by here...

well I didn't notice it was Providence - Rhode Island! the city of the great H.P Lovecraft! good luck there and take carefull of the Shoggoths, I've read storys that there are still some by there stalking in the night... I'm getting better my english more and more! let us know next how did you do specially vs miracles if you find some, hope not!

[Lemnear]

Were have an empty in our main deck lol, and I usually do look to protect the spell. But if I probe them, and they have no interaction (which happens), I'm not going to waste resources just to strip a card out of their hand, even if it is a difference of 4 goblins. I admit, the turn 1 goblin turn to wish for war strike is unlikely, but I have noticed that building up and creating your hand is for sure possible turn 3 to get goblins and kill them.

Yeah and how you want to get hands on that EtW aside the natural draw or cantrips if you obviously have not infernal'd for it as you have the Wish still in hand? Why did you choose to cantrip into EtW rather than simply wishing for it in the first place if you have all the mana AND the Wish already around?

Btw. 4 goblins is one hell of a difference against blockers. Unless you are in game 1 against RUG Delver, I can't see goblins as a successful option in turn 3 and ongoing.

@Dr Brian Pepper

try also Reprocess for that purpose. http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Ca...tiverseid=5558
Joke.

@People in general and mainly Lemnear, Bryant, Togores, and F.Fortune and Bahamut:

I think I've finally found my stable side:
I think at least I prefer to play 3 A.Decay and not pyroblast.

I've seen so many Storm player loosing also to a Senseis plus Fluster on top so many times...
A.Decay provides protection for: C.B., Senseis, M.M. and Canonist.
I really find Vendilion not as important as those below.

I don't usually use Pyro as a card vs counters, absolutly I prefer discard for this role, so the unique role that accomplishes pyro is in tempo and to be proactive vs c.b. an vs Vencilion, threat that is not as powerfull vs us.

I've been testing several combinations vs miracles and winning goes through WinAsFast or LooseToCBUnLessDecay,

I am still debating about the way to side when you start and when you don't.

Another point: I was testing the 3Gemstone 5 Fetch Setting and tested it in a 50 torunament, I really idn't notice the difference, I'm not sure if to change to 4Gemstone, maybe I'll do so, the first 3 games were vs 3 Jund and in sme I drew several fetch which were usefull. won 6-0 vs all, lost vs a BlueInfect Deck... won 1st game but loose maybe due to that fetch and becyase I sided the Xantid, in here I would have preferred even more discard... and loose vs Togores paisano! in a shitty and awfull games, maybe should have mulliganed but I was in a hurry - needed to go and also f*** from before game... I think I'll go for 4 gemstone again - Bahamut - Lemnear would you play 3 gemstone 5 fetch in the Opening Post List?

playing storm with discard and next evenmore discard has been a great strategy vs SneakAttack and vs Reanimator sometimes I would have preferred discard instead the xantid, so I still keep the 2 pyro as they are great vs Patriot and RUG, so don't worry about omnishow with leylines which is the unique deck and even isn't played by here...

well I didn't notice it was Providence - Rhode Island! the city of the great H.P Lovecraft! good luck there and take carefull of the Shoggoths, I've read storys that there are still some by there stalking in the night... I'm getting better my english more and more! let us know next how did you do specially vs miracles if you find some, hope not!

I feel both topics in this post, SB cards and manabase, are entwined.

First, I rode the 3 Decay like a bike with training wheels during last year and just failed to be able to cast them every fucking time I was paired against a deck with Chalice or Thorn as Wasteland completely ripped the iffy 4c manabase or they got stuck in my hand because I was unwilling to cripple my manabase by fetching a Tropical against Patriot and lack red mana afterwards (This was before we reemployed Pyroblast to do the dirty work and remove Meddling Mages). Here comes the problem: as Decay is in fact completely useless against UW Blade or Chalice.dec so you can only board them against Miracles. That's insanely limited to dedicate a full 3 slots AND putting a huge burden on your manabase (and the reason I'm desperately trying to sidestep CB and Chalice by options like YP).

What you are asking is to increase the count on Decays while reducing the number of rainbow lands. Mind, that without a Gemstone Mine you have to have 3 different inital mana sources in play to support all your spells. From my own devastating experiences, I'd rather increase the number of gold lands once more to support more SB decays than doing the exact opposite.

Now looks at Pyroblast and it's wide-spread application against anything ranging from Meddling Mages to Delver to CB to Clique to Shardless Agent to Show & Tell to understand why I'm fine to have that card in my sideboard even if it's not a strong training wheel option against Miracles like Decay would be and am even ok with altering my playstyle for that card. It's cheaper and on-color too, so I seeing Pyroblast as a weaker but more versatile option to battle the metagame.

[Dr Brian Pepper]

How often would War Strike help you win a game you would have lost? It feels like most of the time the card is useful, you have firm control of the board.

Well on the draw against stoneforge usually, batter skull is hard to beat.

[Dr Brian Pepper]

[QUOTE=Lemnear;815971]Yeah and how you want to get hands on that EtW aside the natural draw or cantrips if you obviously have not infernal'd for it as you have the Wish still in hand? Why did you choose to cantrip into EtW rather than simply wishing for it in the first place if you have all the mana AND the Wish already around?

Btw. 4 goblins is one hell of a difference against blockers. Unless you are in game 1 against RUG Delver, I can't see goblins as a successful option in turn 3 and ongoing.



Most of the time the hand needs to be developed, and willing banking on wish and looking for more spells I get empty and can kill them in one turn with goblins, and goblins are very successful going into turn 3 because I also have war strike lol

[Dice_Box]

Then why not run Shattering Spree? Lets you take out COTV as well and gets around counters quite well.

[Lemnear]

Most of the time the hand needs to be developed, and willing banking on wish and looking for more spells I get empty and can kill them in one turn with goblins, and goblins are very successful going into turn 3 because I also have war strike lol

If you decide to sculpt your hand 3 turns while being on the draw against Batterskull and still decide to go for EtW, you may want to rethink your decision-tree and boarding plans. If you want to slow-roll that matchup you should side out an Infernal among a Ponder so you have lots of wish targets which are much better than EtW AFTER Batterskull hit the table. You have at least 10 virtual discard-spells in your deck, so I would ask myself first, why the Skull slipped through those and onto the field.

Why, if you obviously had all the mana, didn't you wish for Thoughtseize and discard the Batterskull before building up a goblin army (possbily in the same turn to boost your stormcount)?


@Dice
Mentioned Spree in regards to Pepper's Batterskull issue?