[Deck] Canadian Threshold (aka RUG Delver, Tempo Thresh)

[rlesko]

what's everyone playing these days in the sideboard?

I don't have any new techs to share, been rolling with different combinations of the same ~25 SB cards that are typically run in RUG colors. If you're looking to help your SB get tuned, what do you expect to play in your meta?

[ShiftyKapree]

I don't have any new techs to share, been rolling with different combinations of the same ~25 SB cards that are typically run in RUG colors. If you're looking to help your SB get tuned, what do you expect to play in your meta?

Well last time I went 0-3 at the tournament I'm preparing for, I lost all 3 dice rolls round 1 was r/w painters, round 2 rug mirror, round 3 rug mirror. Also I get beat up really bad against bug, I can never seem to beat it. My current sideboard is 1 flusterstorm, 1 grafdiggers, 1 sulfur elemental, 2 pithing needle, 2 rough/tumble, 1 ancient grudge, 1 krosan grip, 3 submerge, and 3 REB's

[HammafistRoob]

True-Name seems pretty good in that meta actually.

[rlesko]

Well last time I went 0-3 at the tournament I'm preparing for, I lost all 3 dice rolls round 1 was r/w painters, round 2 rug mirror, round 3 rug mirror. Also I get beat up really bad against bug, I can never seem to beat it. My current sideboard is 1 flusterstorm, 1 grafdiggers, 1 sulfur elemental, 2 pithing needle, 2 rough/tumble, 1 ancient grudge, 1 krosan grip, 3 submerge, and 3 REB's

R/W painter is a bad mu. its because of these blood moon style decks that I favor running a full set of spell pierces in my 75 rather than flusterstorms. I run 2 main 2 side.

rug mirror is very skill intensive. take out your force of wills. add submerges. i shave stifles on the draw. REB hits almost every card in the deck.

shardless bug? bug delver? they are different beasts even though they are in the same color.

[ShiftyKapree]

R/W painter is a bad mu. its because of these blood moon style decks that I favor running a full set of spell pierces in my 75 rather than flusterstorms. I run 2 main 2 side.

rug mirror is very skill intensive. take out your force of wills. add submerges. i shave stifles on the draw. REB hits almost every card in the deck.

shardless bug? bug delver? they are different beasts even though they are in the same color.

Bug delver gives me the most trouble they just seem to have an answer to everything, it's IMO the hardest match-up, DNT isn't so bad for me. I'm thinking about going back to 4 submerge in the sideboard but I just cut my needles for a tormods and a surgical

[Quasim0ff]

what's everyone playing these days in the sideboard?

2x REB
1x Ancient Grudge
1x Artifact Mutation
1x Krosan Grip

2x Flusterstorm
1x Grafdigger's Cage
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Vendilion Clique
1x Sylvan Library
1x Life from the Loam
2x Rough
1x Submerge

[BKclassic]

Well last time I went 0-3 at the tournament I'm preparing for, I lost all 3 dice rolls round 1 was r/w painters, round 2 rug mirror, round 3 rug mirror. Also I get beat up really bad against bug, I can never seem to beat it. My current sideboard is 1 flusterstorm, 1 grafdiggers, 1 sulfur elemental, 2 pithing needle, 2 rough/tumble, 1 ancient grudge, 1 krosan grip, 3 submerge, and 3 REB's

How are you sideboarding against RUG and BUG Delver?

[Bed Decks Palyer]

what's everyone playing these days in the sideboard?

2 Rough
2 Submerge (3 if in Goyf-meta)
2 Pyroblasts (3 if meta = TNN)
2 Flusterstorm
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Arti. Mutation
2 GrafCage
2 Needle

I got a box of some 120+ "sb" cards including stuff like Gilded Drake, Wipe Away, Sulfuric Vortex, Compost, Surgical Extraction, Dead/Gone, Niv-Magus elemental or w/e, but I mostly use some 20 cards. I think that Spell Pierce is a solid choice for the Moon-based decks, as contrary to Flusterstrom it hits Moon, as already noted. Otoh, Flusterstom is good for more Threshlike decks, that tend to play must-counter instants like Stifle.

[Myelectronicdays]

2 Rough
2 Submerge (3 if in Goyf-meta)
2 Pyroblasts (3 if meta = TNN)
2 Flusterstorm
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Arti. Mutation
2 GrafCage
2 Needle

basically what im running. cept 1 cage and a sulfur elemental for the other (tons of D&T locally, i almost want 2 in there).

and 1 needle and 1 sylvan libary (instead of the 2)

[ShiftyKapree]

How are you sideboarding against RUG and BUG Delver?

Against rug I take out 4 FOW's and if im on the draw I take out 4 stifles, for bug I always board out just FOW and board in 3 submerge and 1 surgical

[Myelectronicdays]

what are you generally looking to surgical against bug?

[Maagler]

It's definitely still a good deck. My buddy Alex got 9th at SCG Providence with a 7-1-1 record. I don't think he even prepared much for the tournament since hes been busy with school and stuff. I do know that he played 4 Gitaxian Probe, which seems weird to me but apparently it works.

Yeah he was saying that they won him a lot of matches just because he knew if he could go the stifle route plan turn 1.

[Myelectronicdays]

im seeing alot more 12 post decks pop up on modo recently also.. besides grafdiggers for their GSZ's, what are some solid sideboard cards vs it?

board in life from the loam to try to go on wasteland overload on em?

[index]

Wasting them out is not a good plan, because they will play pithing needle on our wastelands. Just counter their monoliths, candelabras, etc. and board in the artifact hate. Try to land an early goyf, in this mu he's normaly a 5/6 beater and with bolts a 3-4 turn clock.

Greets

[BKclassic]

Against rug I take out 4 FOW's and if im on the draw I take out 4 stifles, for bug I always board out just FOW and board in 3 submerge and 1 surgical

I might SB a little bit different than you (not bring in Surgical against Delver decks and leave a few Stifles in on the draw) but your sideboarding seems reasonable enough to me and doesn't seem like the issue so much. IMO, the hardest thing about playing RUG is using your free counterspells against other decks that have free counterspells, making the value judgements about when to Daze and Force. I have never seen you play so I don't know if this pertains to you, but better utilizing free counterspells has really helped me. For instance, I am finding Urw Delver to be a slam dunk match up for me now because Nimble Mongoose is easily the best threat, it's basically 1 mana TNN where our opponent has to get to the 3 mana to play TNN and get their Stoneforges have to get through our removal and Stifles where we have Tarmogoyfs. So Nimble Mongoose is quite good there, and it is often good to save Delver of Secrets to pitch to FoW to clear the way for Mongoose and not play into their 7-8 removal spells (playing Probes helps know what my opponent is on obviously). The mirror and BUG are more tricky where they play Tarmogoyfs that more easily trump Mongeese. But using similiar logic, you know that BUG delver runs Abrupt Decay which we can't counter, so I am more likely to want to FoW their threats, and Delver is less good in this match up if you are not playing it turns 1-2, so it can be a good a to pitch to FoW (although it does cost 1 where Abrupt Decay costs 2, so it is our best card to actually get Abrupt Decayed). Against the mirror, play tight and don't screw up is about all I can say. Obviously don't waste your Dazes on idle cantrips unless you have a very good reason. Basically, I would Force anytime it helps you maintain a position with 2 lands, 1-2 creatures in play and your opponent with nothing/as little as possible. Maybe this helps a bit?

[poxy14]

my meta is SFM/TNN/combos....
sb'ing really depends on what ur meta is..

my current working list with 2 TNN's main are:

1 needle = vs vials, lotv, sneak, random fetches ...mom will not live for sure with my 7 burn built
3 pyroblasts = vs opposing delvers and tnn's, i like pyro'ing bstorms and ponders too!
2 roughs = just for Dnt, not much elves these days...
1 ancient grudge = of course equipments!
1 ancient revelry = vs resolved sneak, annoying artifacts and RIP!
1 snare = RIP, hits bug, jund, patriots, dnt, infernals, burning wishes...
1 pierce = vs combos
2 submerges = mirror, i have tnns that will take care of oppossing goyfs, any biggie without wings...
1 vendilion cliq = vs unfair
1 surgical = random shit like p'fire, sometimes for unresolved combo pcs, shows, random fetches, after pondering to derail lib....things like that.
1 graf = i just cant leave home without any gy hate...this guy hits elves too!

lands are 7/7/4 split = i can always play tnn with 18 lands, and im not having prob with it...
if im flooded, i can always = izzet charm : )

i had fun last week on a playtest vs DnT, was like 5-1 on my favor... as long as theyre not flying, TNN will wreck that deck..by the time he built a hoard of white army, i attacked with tnn and played rough...only thing left standing are geese and goyfs and delvers: )

[ShiftyKapree]

what are you generally looking to surgical against bug?

Anything that gives them an advantage over us, basically deathrite and abrupt decay. The other day I was able to get surgical off against a bug player and won the game, even their following turn they landed a surgical against me on my trops

[Purgatory]

DTB again! Nicely done, Canadian Thresholders! :)

In a large tournament here in Sweden, a RUG pilot made T8 with the good old Thresh 54 + 2 Probes, 2 Forked Bolt, 2 Pierce. He used the following sideboard:

2 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Flusterstorm
3 Submerge
1 Ancient Grudge
2 Rough // Tumble
2 Grafdigger’s Cage
1 Null Rod
1 Sylvan Library

The first 13 cards are very standard, but the last two are not. I kinda like Null Rod to turn off Miracle's Top, DnT's equipment (though Batterskull only partially) and mana-artifacts in Storm. Sylvan Library seems great against a lot of the grindy decks that are DTB:s right now, DnT and DeathBlade for example.

Have any of you guys tried either of these? What are your opinions?

[Bed Decks Palyer]

I played Null Rod in the past and it was quite good when it was good. You need it in a really specialized meta like Miracles, DnT/Mav and Storm, but then it works wonders. Also, it's solid in that it stops some of the more annoying sb cards like EE, Relic or Nihil Spellbomb.

[Purgatory]

I played Null Rod in the past and it was quite good when it was good. You need it in a really specialized meta like Miracles, DnT/Mav and Storm, but then it works wonders. Also, it's solid in that it stops some of the more annoying sb cards like EE, Relic or Nihil Spellbomb.

Granted, Needle is MVP sometimes, and costs half the mana, but against many of the decks where Needle is good, Null Rod is great.