before anything else, welcome back miccel, you've been away for quite a while..come to the forum more often, we need more pox ambassadors..
i'll read and respond to your message in a bit..after i've finished doing chores..
thank you, I had work commitments and family so the time for magic was little, I will try to be present from now on... ;-)Originally Posted by zenitramleirdag
I wrote my tournament report in mtg salvation last year, i hope i can repeat any top8 as soon as possible and write a new report!!!
Work in progress...
Yes, work and toddlers make MTG tourney appearances tough. Glad you are back.
I suppose my question was more with one slot in main board and three in the side what should be the numbers and split between The Abyss, Night of Soul's Betrayal and possibly Engineered Plague and Toxic Deluge? I may just try one of each and not necessarily use all of them at once but be more strategic. I mean Toxic Deluge is the only one that can hit all creatures, but you pay life and it is not a permanent. Abyss cant hit hordes, artifact creatures or TNN, Plague is very specific, and NOSB is poor against medium-big creatures. But they are all devestating agaings the decks that are effected by them.
In a prison-style pox i think that permanents are better than 1 "shot solutions"...topdeck toxic deluge/damnation in empy board can't prevent every opponent's topdeck... nether void, the abyss, nosb, eng. plague can do it!
However i don't like NOSB cause affect my nether spirit and my factories and makes me too slow.
No comment about eng plague, 1 of the best sideboard card for black based decks ever printed...
The flavor of the abyss is pure magic!
I've won a lot of games post board with this old fantastic card!
Ok, it can't kills TNN or revokers (but plague can do it) but can kill emrakul and griselbrand, a big goyf, a germ token...
I use to play voids MD to fight combo and control deck (void can kills aggro but abyss/nosb can't kill combo), for sideboard i suggest a mix of plagues and abyss...
Second place, 31 people tournament with eight rack.
Enchantments:
4 shrieking affliction
Sorceries:
3 innocent blood
1 ravens crime
4 thoughtseize
4 inquisition of kozilek
4 hymn to tourach
4 smallpox
2 pox
Artifacts:
4 the rack
4 ensnaring bridge
Planeswalker:
4 liliana of the veil
Lands 22:
3 urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
3 buried ruin
16 swamp
First off I must say that the list is a bit all over the place due to it being my second choice deck and not having time to put together a more optimal list. I honestly went Iin with intentions of maybe stealing a game or two, I mean come on, its mono black discard...........right? Holy crap I rolled everything from delver decks to omni-tell to death and taxes and even slivers, losses were to the same miracles player in swiss and final (damn you jace and counter-balance). My local gaming store has some really quality players, these were no scrubs. Im looking to optimize this list because I trully believe that eight rack effects with discard is a potential contender and can really crush unprepared decks. Mvps were lilianna, small pox and main deck bridges......pox was really lackluster as was buried ruin. I would really appreciate comments and appologize for the lack of report, ihave high hopes for this creatureless version of pox!
Ps. No sideboard to speak of ( had like one infest and four leyline of the void day of), would appreciate help there as well. My local meta is all over the place but mostly tier one decks.
Last edited by jimmythegreek; 08-05-2014 at 11:15 PM.
congratulations jimmythe greek!
i have quite a similar rack list before but i was never as successful as you were..the only difference is i ran bloodghasts instead of the bridges and IOK instead of the thoughtseizes..
your build certainly looks strong, the 4 ensnaring bridges in the main gives you answers to common strategies in legacy..your build also looks consistent because you have a lot of 4-ofs which i like..i agree, your build doesn't need rituals..
i also personally felt that buried ruin is glaringly the most impuissant card in the deck, but i won't totally remove it since your build looks heavily reliant on the bridges for defense, maybe keep 2 copies and replace the other one with other utility lands like cabal pit, bojuka bog, etc...pick your poison.........and if you can save up for it, wastelands...
my guess is that the playset of thoughtseizes together with a pair of big poxes getting your life dangerously low you reason for thinking that its(big pox) lackluster? i personally liked daddy pox in my rack list, maybe because i run IOK's instead of thoughtseizes..
just watchout for chalice of the void jimmythegreek, chalice set at 1 can really cripple you..
if pithing needle hurts pox players who run factories and scrolls..chalice of the void is a bullet to the head for 8rack..
and speaking of needles, i suggest a couple of them in the board to deal with jace or top..and you probably don't need leylines, i think..because the bridges can mostly handle what the leylines are supposed to handle like reanimator and dredge..i'd look for extirpate or surgicals instead for graveyard hate..but thats just me, im sure other players here would have different opinions or suggestions..
Last edited by zenitramleirdag; 08-06-2014 at 08:22 AM.
Thanks for the reply. I'm completely in agreement with not needing/wanting dark ritual in my deck, as some one said earlier a first turn liliana is sometimes just ok. Also, drawing dark rit late game is not super when I'm trying to shrink their hand. I can rationalize four ensnaring bridges based on the fact that magic as a whole is won on the back of creatures.........so why not cut of that angle all together. Chains of mephistophles seems to fit all to perfect in this decks sideboard, not to mention im just looking for an excuse to buy this card cuz its maybe the goofiest/coolest looking card. Ravens crime is so good mid/late game, essentially turning my crappy top deck into a " you take three from affliction and two from the rack" cuz you have one card in your hand during your upkeep. Any thoughts on a green splash for abrupt decay for counter balance and such? Also, I still cant decide on the best colorless lands for this style of deck. I have the wastelands but im not convinced their best fit here?
Ignore green. That is for defensive spells. Against miracles you may need mishra's factories. Something more powerful than 1cc spells in sideboard to be less vulnerable to counterbalance. Perhaps Delirium Skeins?
Against miracle all i want is an "online cursed scroll", factories are ok but are vulnerable to StP and terminus...post board chains of mephistopheles and pithing needle to stop jace/SdT.
However miracles is a bad MU for monoblack versions...
Not bad Jimmythegreek.
3-4 LotV is a good start for sure > helps to shore up your hard matchups like Dredge etc.
But;
Should LotV not be in your first grip > since the faster LED-dredge decks can win before T4 when you might be dropping LotV (I don't like mulling to oblivion to search for hate) I would consider a few Grafdiggers Cage aswell.
that's right and most miracles lists i've seen today does not maindeck oblivion ring and pithing needle..so you can probably steal a win first match coz' they'd have problems dealing with it..uhm, i'm not totally convinced that it's a bad matchup for mono black, its a difficult match-up though..if they start popping up more often in your meta, try more pithing needles in your board and ratchet bombs too..they're so effective against them..needles, handle their jaces and tops..ratchet bomb takes care of their angel token, counter balance.....
That's true! If fact my old list have 3 needle 2 chains 2 bombs in side...
My tournament record against miracle isn't disastrous...something like 3-2-1(w-l-d)...but my win are cause of my deck and MU knowledge...(not every player can play against pox)
Against a good miracles player is too difficult in my opinion...i need the best hand and top decks ever seens ;-)
However should happen that a "bad player" can starts the game with SdT turn 1 > CB turn 2 = GAME OVER!
In this situation i know that i'm not losing this game couse my misplay or opponent's skill...simple couse my deck can't fight against SdT+CB...frustrating....
The only way to improve this MU is splash green for decay (IMHo)...
But i'm mono black player ;-)
I'm now thinking of running Plague Boiler in place of Ratchet Bomb.
"And thus, the Pithing Needler who thought he could protect his permanents in 3 turns heaved a sigh of great sadness..."
I actually don't get 'token overrun' much in meta and even if I did, I run Night of Souls MD and can go Ensnaring Bridge and Eng. Plague after Sideboard. To this end, I'm trading sheer speed and narrow target kill [cmc based] to blow up EVERYTHING... It's like a timed Pernicious Deed for X=infinity. Only testing will tell. It's harder to Counter Balance as well vs. a 2cmc spell
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
Really into trying this list out. thoughts about running an abyss or 2 in here? (i just love abyss so much i want to run it always).. that and a tabernacle.
i liked this idea, i playtested with it too in the early incarnations of my build when i was experimenting with a catch-all removal plus it also fits our deck's theme of spreading sickness, he he he....i even tried the disk too..
never had the guts to actually run it in a competitive event though, i was too chicken..he he he..maybe you can make it work..
i just don't like the fact that it can also kill an active lily of ours
Plague Boiler is a fun card. For even grindier decks than Pernicious Deed. In a Loam build you could even use Buried Ruin to Plague Boiler ad infinitum. Killing your own Lillies could be a problem there, plus Loam builds usually use Mox Diamond rather than Ritual for acceleration, and that would need to change as well to use Boiler or Deed.
Congrats! I never played this type, but sure gonna test this Pox-variant! What would you think about Green for Crop Rotation to get the DD/ Stage- combo (I just like to get this combo in all my Bg decks), some Abrupt Decay for random nuisance? I don't know about LftL though
EDIT: this would change the deck dramatically, nevermind...
I would not ignore Green, but I can see your point. Regarding Delirium Skeins: that card really looks like fun in 8Rack. I think it is used in Modern-version as well. Imagine; dump your Boodghast into the gy, drop a land and (hopefully) swing!
Another card to try Bloodchief Ascension
Tabernacle would be amazing in this deck as would the abyss. A tabernacle that taps for black (having urborg out) is a dream of mine, finding room for abyss may prove difficult though. As far as my mana base (this includes prostituting myself for a tabernacle) Im thinking I dont want to play wastelands. My reasoning being that I want my opponents to play spells, not mana screw them hence leaving more cards in their hand avoiding rack/affliction damage. Playing creature- less seems too sweet with main deck ensnaring bridge, along with discard and multiple rack effects. I think two maybe three buried ruins are necessary considering how much I rely on artifacts. We do well against combo, swarm strategies seem to be a thing of the past and whats left are a bunch of tempo decks of which small pox/ discard can handle. Am I over-simplifying things, of course, my point is I think pox is very well positioned right now. Im now going to procede to the overpass where I'll be whoring myself out for two chains (ha....two chains) of mephistophles and a tabernacle.
Yeah i think this rack version is heading in a great direction. The list is definately tight.. i agree it would be tough to get an abyss in there.. but I'd love to get an abyss (more of a love for nostalgia of it).. but yeah a tabernacle in there would be hot. I may have to do some selling to pick one up
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