[Deck] W/x Parfait (Tax/Rack Control)

[Weapon X]

I apologize if it's been asked already, but I'm curious if anyone here has also used the Quinn snow engine in parfait. I have done very little with it yet but I find it's always on my mind. I think it could be useful to hear others experiences on this.

[dog_koko]

I did when Land Tax was banned (I used to play Quinn) and it is very slow...
I love playing 4 Land Tax, 3 Scroll Rack and 2 Divining

[Kagehisa]

Have you tried Trade Routes?

It does everything you want and is a tutor-able.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Ca...iverseid=83302

[Pelikanudo]

This:

Between that and Unexpectedly Absent, I am surprise that no one is taking on a Cataclysm list.

Great!

I will included at least 3 of this in my Cataclysm list!
it is just clearly superior to O.Ring, so it will be from my build: -2 O.Ring+2That New Great card! I have doubt which card will be the 3rd... maybe the 2nd Humility or Argivian, maybe 2 is ok...

I've been also thinking on the new cards that are both enchantment and creature but don't seem too powerfull, any idea opinión on this?

any update to my 1.3. Cataclism Tax list?
I'll give it a new try in a next torunament...


EDIT: Didnt noticed that it is not an enchantment like O.Ring is... one of the things good from O.Ring is that it can be grabbed by E.Tutor... still worth testing, I still will leave 1 O.Ring.

[nedleeds]

How is it clearly superior to O-Ring? Has anyone cast Show and Tell against you? Have you not cast Enlightened Tutor in a tax rack deck?

Edit: Saw your edit. Yes. Card type.

[Weapon X]

Ethersworn cannonist is easily the top of the pile at least with regards to my build. She still allows me to drop lock pieces while adding pressure. Eidolon of rhetoric and aegis of the gods are really best against storm for the usual reasons: disruption and a clock. To again refer to my build I've been running a single aegis and eidolon to supplement the canonists.

And I suppose my previous question was unclear, but is anyone playing snow land and some number of scrying sheets within their build of parfait to have 2 different draw engines.

[cab0747]

WeaponX, I think at some point you were considering streaming with this deck. Any chance you thought more about this?

It seems like buying into this deck on MODO wouldn't require much. I think when I priced it, it was around $200.

[Admiral_Arzar]

Has there been any consideration of a black splash for Chains of Mephistopheles in this deck? Blue saturation in Legacy has reached a point where Chains is good in more than 2/3 of matchups and the Tax/Rack card advantage engine completely bypasses it (Scroll Rack is missing the phrase "draw a card"). Since this deck can't play Chalice of the Void profitably, Chains strikes me as a powerful way to shut off opposing draw engines while screwing with combo decks at the same time.

[nedleeds]

Sensei's Top is probably way too good to also run Chains. You get a free reshuffle every upkeep, which is pretty nuts with Top. Top also gets you Miracles on their turn which I hear is good.

[Admiral_Arzar]

Sensei's Top is probably way too good to also run Chains. You get a free reshuffle every upkeep, which is pretty nuts with Top. Top also gets you Miracles on their turn which I hear is good.

Yeah I guess that is a nombo (although it could be worse as I assume you will have a random land to discard usually). You're killing me bro, I'm just looking for an excuse to run a playset of Chains in something :P.

[nedleeds]

Crosis colored Dak Fayden control.

[Admiral_Arzar]

Crosis colored Dak Fayden control.

Haha this hurts my brain. I have a B/W Stax brew I've been working on - I can PM you the list if you like as I'd rather not clutter up this thread more.

[Weapon X]

The streaming plan seems to have fallen through. Our guy with the camera, stands, etc moved so its on the back burner most likely until his jobs term is up an he moves back.

As for chains I found 2 to be plenty when I had my black splash.

[(nameless one)]

I know it costs 4 mana but Uba Mask kinda does what Chains do. It's still devastating against Brainstorm and Jace. I never really had an issue reaching 4 mana with this deck without slowing Land Tax down.

[nedleeds]

I love Uba Mask in MUD but Miracles are too good with Scroll Rack to lock yourself out of them IMHO. I can't think of that many compelling reasons to splash black over red (or the obvious best option blue). I guess some point discard, or asymmetrical beatings like The Abyss, Toxic Deluge, Gerrards Verdict (hey they are probably sandbagging lands ...).

[Weapon X]

I maintain, let miracles play miracles. We basically have the best shell for rip/helm.

[nedleeds]

I think nobody is saying this deck will ever be as good as U/w miracles ... but if you are playing Tax / Rack and Top and not playing Terminus you are just being obtuse. It's a one mana uber wrath. Finishing the game with RiP / Helm has nothing to do with the decision to play spells with the Miracle mechanic -- I'm not sure why you'd even bring it up, it makes you sound like you've never activated Scroll Rack.

[(nameless one)]

I agree with the Miracle aspect.

My old version ran Terminus but not Entreat. Being able to wipe the board and still get Land Tax going was sweet. Though Uba Mask seems so great in shutting down a lot of decks that are good against this deck that I can see Terminus being bypassed. If I can run Humility in my old build, then why not Wrath?

Also for builds with splashes, instead of Dual, why not Gemstone Mine? It's a rainbow land that eventually dies (get Land Tax going).

[Admiral_Arzar]

Also for builds with splashes, instead of Dual, why not Gemstone Mine? It's a rainbow land that eventually dies (get Land Tax going).

Could Undiscovered Paradise be a thing? It never really dies per se but it definitely triggers Land Tax. That land seems pretty awful in every deck except maybe this one lol.

[Weapon X]

In a deck that can actually cast wrath before turn 4 I see no reason to waste time setting up miracles. To me that negates the effectiveness of the engine. If I'm concerned about the top cards of my library then top does it better. Parfait doesn't need top. If anything calling terminus a wrath is the mistake. It clears the board that's for sure. But it doesn't destroy them. There are decks out there that don't care about terminus but do about wrath, elves being the most prevalent.

Land wise it should depend on build. I run 2 plateaus and a mountain because of the belcher interaction and blasts in the board. Undiscovered paradise is tempting, but is it even necessary? To me the biggest draw to a deck like parfait is the reliance on basics thus negating the most common form of attack in the environment, wasteland.