Thanks for explaining. As I said, I lost track a little while ago... what exactly made liliana so unattractive?
IMO, and not everyone agrees with me, she is bad against cruise because she feeds their cruises while putting you down cards. UR specifically also has a haste creature & lots of burn, and her edict is bad since they often have 2+ creatures. Elves is also very resilient to her.
Kinda would say its the other way arround she is a way to actually attack the cruises as well, cruises gets to be played to recover instead of get ahead. Them discarding lands means less brainstorm shuffling away lands. Kind a toggle and struggle with them. There is no doubt really that UR delver is the deck to beat atm and burn is also a deck we are quite bad against so I think its time to bring out the Kor Firewalkers in the board. Lightning Bolt and Forked Lightning is currently insanly powerful against us its pretty much 2/3 of a treasure cruise when they 2for1 us with Forked lighting. Outside of counters they arent really equiped to get the firewalkers of the board, easiest creature to equip a Jitte on.
Made top 8 today with my list... In vintage. Lol. Basically 2-2'd the Swiss then got crushed by nedleeds in T8. Was fun. Debating on playing tomorrow. I still don't like my UR MU
Originally Posted by Richard Cheese
Deadguy in vintage? Talked to a bunch of friends that went to Vintage, a lot of UR Delver there as well.
After doing pretty awful yesterday....looking over my sideboard. Stupid Treasure Cruise. May have to run a few Spirits in conjunction with GY hate to battle. I feel there's going to be a TON of Delver at GP Jersey. LOL, I even considered splashing blue for Notion Thief.
I think I personally would rather play like Red Blast or something before notion thief. Less cost, and it is great as extra delver removal. I'm just jamming 3 spirit today and 5 1 CC discard. 2 Restoration Angel because why not?
Went 4-1-1 in Swiss of the gen con event at Nashville. 34 players? Lost to elves in round one then win three in a row versus Miracles, oops all spells, and URW Delver. Then Drew with a teammate because it locked him and forced me into a win and in, then beat reanimator because Griselbrand not strong enough. Unfortunately lost to BUG in the top 8.
3x Spirit of the Lab was pretty solid. Restoration Angel was pretty meh. I was clogged with big drops. Time to rework the list a bit. Is nights whisper not quite good enough?
If you have them or feel like blowing $13 per copy of a pretty niche card, Auriok Champion is probably better than Firewalker. Really makes Young Pyromancer awkward, also dodges Decay and Batterskull. I'd almost rather go bigger with either a lifegain sword or something like Fiendslayer Paladin. Timely Reinforcements is always out there too.
Nice results. Would love to hear how you that Reanimator match went, did he reanimate Griz, you had STP, he found nothing off the draw?
What are you thinking with Night's Whisper? It seems like a good match with Seeker of the Way
Thanks. The game basically went: G1 I keep a 2x STP andLiliana hand. I'm on the draw. Okay a turn 2 Deathrite that I drew. He animate rreads griselbrand. He draws 7, in response I swords, he draws 7 again. He forces. Draws his second 7. Discard end step. I untap, swords again. He forces, then I liliana and he quickly scoops. Afterwards he remembers he had a daze. Lol
Game 2 I play turn 2 spirit of the Lab. He doesn't force. Casts show and tell, I put in a second spirit, he puts in Griselbrand. I cast swords on my turn, he forces to no cards in hand, I had a second swords and he scoops.
The luck was most definitely on my side, but I don't feel like the match up is really like too horrible. Also I played Kor Firewalker as a 3 of, but never really wanted to bring it in. I think it is better than champion simply because it gains more like versus burn and as a 2/2 it battles a little better
As for nights whisper, I just feel like I want another card draw spell maybe? The other option is to rework the mana base to try to fit a sylvan library or two. Both are pretty bad with a spirit out though.
If you are really looking for another 'draw' effect you could play the enchantment bob. It's not a draw. It's easy on the mana also at 2B. Arena is a draw. At this point I think I'd be on Dega over Deadguy if I were guessing 75% blue. Red also has faster tools to fight Elves and DnT (the only viable non blue deck). You get sideboard cards like Elecktrickery or Forked Bolt.
Right. Reanimator is fine. Sort of like storm. If you untap turn 2 you are probably in good shape as long as you didn't keep a ham sandwich. When they end up with like 16 cards off Griz they get flustered at discard time too.
I would say just play top, it comes down turn 1, can be cast off every land in the deck, often eats force, good synergy with Bob. Dark Tutelage as bob #5 if you really want it isn't all that bad either. Miracles would much rather see actual Bob and they hate seeing Bob. Now you can draw cards through Terminus? Gross.
I don't think Firewalker or Champion is what we want for burn. I think Timely is the place to be, at least post board, if Thalia isn't part of your burn plan. She can be, of course, but I'm just not high on her right now. I'd rather have Canonist to prevent them from doing dumb stuff like bolt, bolt, fireblast, and Canonist also kills elves and storm (while being E-tutorable) and Thalia does zip vs. elves. Further, I want to be able to cast important spells like Souls and not tax myself out of the game. Timely just seems great in so many matchups, burn is everywhere, Elves is everywhere, even Dredge.
And seriously: Aven Riftwatcher. Especially if you've got resto angel. I would not want to see that come down as the Delver player, now you're gaining 4 life and killing my Delver or fogging it for 3 turns at least. Those decks are trying to close you out fast and it extends the game in a big way, and while they're drawing Gitaxian Probes we're drawing removal and equips. Get a sword on that thing while it's alive and it gets real awkward. It plays real nice with Sword of Light & Shadow too. Aerial attacks that gain life are so good right now that I saw someone at Eternal Weekend playing Wingmate Roc in Vintage.
Maindeck REB might not be a bad choice. I've never pulled the trigger on it but I've always considered it. There's also Lightning Helix to get 'em in the burn mirror. Miracles is on a downswing at my store so I almost played Dega in a GPT the other day, in hindsight, I wish I had since I probably would've beaten the guy on UW stoneblade that ended up winning the thing. Instead I played Nic Fit and gave him a ton of islands and lost. No miracles decks in the field of course.
I'm a sucker for red blasts and slaughter games... I just really like death rite. Card is bonkers. I guess death rite even without access to green is still like, fine? I'm not a huge fan of dark tutelage simply because it's a 3 drop, but maybe it's right. As for top, I don't like it. It's mana intensive and I generally tap out at least the first 3-4 turns, especially since I like getting aggressive with wasteland and vindicate.
Here's my Dega list:
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Dark Confidant
1 Grim Lavamancer
4 Deathrite Shaman
3 Lingering Souls
3 Liliana of the Veil
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Lightning Bolt
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Wasteland
4 Thoughtseize
1 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Badlands
1 Plateau
3 Scrubland
1 Swamp
1 Plains
4 Marsh Flats
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Mountain
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Bayou
2 Terminate
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
SB: 2 Chains of Mephistopheles
SB: 3 Red Elemental Blast
SB: 2 Zealous Persecution
SB: 2 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 2 Needle/Revoker
SB: 2 Timely Reinforcements (insane against UR)
-Matt
Canonist is just an other creature that gets wrecked by Searing Blood and Searing Blaze. Really I want my board cards against Burn. Firewalker attacks the burn spells thoes are the dangerous part of the burn / delver deck, its also available to block Monastery Swiftspear without geting shut down by a burn spell. I do kinda like Timely Reinforcement as well. Zealous Persecution is great against the Young Pyromancers. While I do love restoangel really isnt any strong morph dudes and blade spicer is iffy.
Card im considering testing is actually new sorin. The lifelink and power to the whole team is gonna give a huge life boost or they have to spend 5+ points of damage to get the sorin of the board.
That looks like a great list to me with a lot of great card choices. I might have to try that out sometime.
Tusk up.
(Not so) Current Decks: GB Elves, GW Maverick, GWb Maverick, LED Dredge, ANT, TES, Jund Storm.
I can't quite decide about Lingering Souls. It seems so good when it's good, but that's so rare...
I guess Miracles and Delver decks hate it? Maybe Jund too?
I like souls a lot, but it can be difficult to keep in a list for me anymore. It flies, forms a good clock by itself and is ridiculous with equips, but best of all it screws up planeswalkers and makes anyone without -1/-1 effects cringe.
I took it out as it was cramping my 3-drops in Junk (with KotR), but it's a good value card; even good against S&T and Reanimator; depending on how they went off.
Lingering Souls is one of the best cards in the deck imo. It is our best tool against delver, miracles, and most any other deck attempting to out attrition us. It is obviously slow against combo, but that's at worse case. It also synergizes so well with and against liliana. And it is nigh uncounterable. I had a delver opponent watch me tap three mana, he grabs two cards from his hand, then when he sees I was casting souls, he gives a frustrated look andallows it.
More Hero of Bladehold. lol. I did seriously think about putting another Hero in my deck.
Lingering Souls is still pretty darn good. It's still basically 2 cards in 1. 4 Flying dudes. It's still good in the post Cruise meta.
That would work if you face me every round. You don't even need to care as long as you keep a hand with a Hero :P Haha.
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