[Primer] Elves!

[elFinFas]

What matchups do you people think that city of solitude will help us?

[Echelon]

Virtually none. It aren't the counters that get us (as recent developments have shown).

[dte]

What matchups do you people think that city of solitude will help us?

It is very good against miracle as it prevent them to play with top and fow, so no terminus to wipe your board , top to help counterbalance and so. You could feel safe while NO-hoofing them.

The only problem is that needle and sylvan library are both cheaper, still efficient against miracle, while they are answered by the same thing (Wear/Tear, FoW, Council's judgement) AND they could be very efficient against other MUs, while city is quite narrow (maybe if you find an opponent who wants to play solidarity...).

[Echelon]

It is very good against miracle as it prevent them to play with top and fow, so no terminus to wipe your board , top to help counterbalance and so. You could feel safe while NO-hoofing them.

Because they can't put a CMC = 2/4/whatever card on top of their library in their turn and still put Top on top for CMC = 1 during ours?

Also, Terminus doesn't wipe our board during their turn..?

And when would you want to cast it? T2? Sure, they don't run Daze or FoW or anything. And not advancing your game plan for a turn won't help them assemble the CounterTop lock..? Or cast it on T3/T4, when they might be out of free counters but already have their lock on the field?

Sure, it might give you a bit more breathing room, but come on. Seriously. I'd rather just put Peedle on SDT.

[Dice_Box]

I would rather just run Null Rod.

[Echelon]

I would rather just run Null Rod.

That'll work!

[Zombie]

I would rather just run Null Rod.

[dte]

Because they can't put a CMC = 2/4/whatever card on top of their library in their turn and still put Top on top for CMC = 1 during ours?

Also, Terminus doesn't wipe our board during their turn..?

And when would you want to cast it? T2? Sure, they don't run Daze or FoW or anything. And not advancing your game plan for a turn won't help them assemble the CounterTop lock..? Or cast it on T3/T4, when they might be out of free counters but already have their lock on the field?

Sure, it might give you a bit more breathing room, but come on. Seriously. I'd rather just put Peedle on SDT.

I agree (and wrote) that P Needle is probably better.
But I think you should read again city of solitude, because yes, it will prevent them to put 2/4 on top and change it to 1 during ours.
So yes you can play it on T2 and let them assemble their countertop combo, without being able to change it in response to our spell, it's more or less a chalice at 1 with an upkeep cost of 1, something we can easily beat.

And what do you mean with Daze in miracle? If they have balance + top + fow on T2 and you don't have decay, there is not much that you can do you know...

[Echelon]

I missed the ability-bit, my bad. I stand corrected. Though, keeping Jace on top still keeps them safe from NO.

Concluding: Don't run City of Solitude, run Pithing Needle or Null Rod. Or Abrupt Decay.

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[dte]

I missed the ability-bit, my bad. I stand corrected. Though, keeping Jace on top still keeps them safe from NO.

Concluding: Don't run City of Solitude, run Pithing Needle or Null Rod. Or Abrupt Decay.

I guess you can withdraw the "or". Run decay (3/4) and Needle (1/2), these two are by far the more versatile answers, and Rod or Krosan G (0/1). I expect a withdraw of storm, so rod is maybe not as good as before the TC ban.
But I agree on the "do not run city".

[Shagstaman]

would you all recommend 2 needles before 1needle/1rod? (my 74 is locked aside from this)

I was thinking null rod has some incidental matchups it can crush (metalworker, painter) but needle having the ability to turn off thespian stage, griselbrand, sneak, and pwalkers is legit..

oh and null rod is slightly easier to resolve vs miracles..

so yea..

[Lemnear]

would you all recommend 2 needles before 1needle/1rod? (my 74 is locked aside from this)

I was thinking null rod has some incidental matchups it can crush (metalworker, painter) but needle having the ability to turn off thespian stage, griselbrand, sneak, and pwalkers is legit..

oh and null rod is slightly easier to resolve vs miracles..

so yea..

It does nothing against Cloudpost-MUD, Painter can blast it, etc.

You want Rod primary for Splash damage against the metagame aka if you have plenty of decks in the metagame which rely on artifacts like Miracles or Storm or even fringe stuff like MUD and Affinity.

[Zombie]

Rod also does good work against Blade Control and D&T.

[dte]

Rod also does good work against Blade Control and D&T.

I prefer Needle vs D&T, and I'm not sure to enter either of them vs blade.

[Lemnear]

I prefer Needle vs D&T, and I'm not sure to enter either of them vs blade.

Dito in D&T as Wasteland and SFM can be disrupted, and you want Decay against the Rest of their annoying stuff. I go with Decay against Blade and no Needles/Rods

[Julian23]

The main reason Needle is ok against D&T is Mother of Runes. If Mom lives, your Abrupt Decays on their hatebear become really hard to land. It can be done...but it involves a lot of trickery and slight misplays by your opponent.

I also don't reall like Null Rod against them since it doesn't stop Mother and is pretty risky to run as an our to Jitte vs a deck with 4 Flickerwisp.

[Shagstaman]

thx for replies!

my 74 just became...74 again cuz now I'm trying to find room for pendelhaven! lol

[chewemy]

First legacy tournament for me went 3-2

This was really fun and love elves :)

Lost the first one vs lands with small pox :( couldn't do anything. And lost against a burn, the glimpse failed me 2 times :(

But long life to elves :)

[DrHealex]

I played legacy for the first time in quite some time and chose this deck... pretty sure I could have made the 6-3 cut for day two at this legacy open but I think subconsciously, i really didn't want to come brave the elements for the 2nd day.
Rnd 1: Elf Mirror (2-1) I got a game loss g1 for mistakenly drawing 2 cards off a green suned visionary with a glimpse live.... oops!
Rnd 2: UW Stoneblade (0-2) Game 1 he FoW my turn 3 natural order and gets Jitte Online, Game 2 Explosives for 1 followed by online Jitte = bad times.
Rnd 3: Dark Maverick (2-0)
Rnd 4: BUG Shardless (2-1) Definitely remember losing g2 to back to back turns of Toxic Deluge. Note: If I ask "What are the chances he has the 2nd one" = 100%!
Rnd 5: Esper Blade (2-0) Game 2 was paper thin close since i just drop a lot of lil dude quick turn 2 and ride them to victory racing a true name +jitte
Rnd 6: Mono Green 12 post (2-1)
Rnd 7: Dark Maverick (1-2)
Rnd 8: TEPS (0-2) I "think" I could have won the first game but fail to see the line. Die to 16 gobos g1, and board wipe + tendrills for 17 storm g2. (Rode the Adnaus from 8 -> 1 to great success! with the assist from the recently acquired brainstorm for the needed kill card (burning wish)
Rnd 9: Dredge (1-2) Is lotus petals in dredge the new norm? Guy is turbo dredging on me!