[Deck] Sneak and Show

[JPA]

Flusterstorm is significantly worse than Swan Song in the mirror, Spell Pierce gets maindecked already. The 2/2 is irrelevant in most cases.

I like Swan Song, even though I would understand switching to Flusterstorm if you expect more Storm than Show and Tell. In a combo-light meta I would even change the Song-slots for a third Blood Moon and another bounce spell or a Pithing Needle.

[HeartNana]

Thx guys for the fast answers ;)
Your thoughts are the same as mine.

Atm my sideboard looks like:
2 Defense Grid
3 Pyroclasm
2 Echoing Truth
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Blood Moon
1 Flusterstorm
1 Boseju, who shelters all
2 Through the breach

i am going to the eternal weekend in mailand next weekend and i think maybe combo is more in favour than miracle atm so
that was the main reason why I asked about running swan song.
If i would run 2 swan song i wanted to cut 1 fluster & 1 boseju in sb.
i have to say I also run 1 flusterstorm in main deck.

Would do you think guys ???

After that I have another question how good do you think is misdiretion atm ???
My thoughts on that are that misdirection isn't good as it was for 1 year .

[JPA]

how good do you think is misdiretion atm ???
My thoughts on that are that misdirection isn't good as it was for 1 year .

A situation that came up in a DE recently:

Opponent: Entomb
Me: Dig through Time
Opponent: Force of Will your DTT
Me: Misdirect your Force of Will to your Entomb



(even though I board out both DTT and Misdirection against Reanimator most of the time, MD won me that game 1)

Considering the resurgence of Shardless BUG and maybe even Jund, Misdirection still seems like a strong 1-of to me, even though it does get boarded out a lot.

[HeartNana]

Ookay that was a very nice situation JPA
But I think that happen not so often hehe ;)

I think running misdirection or running flusterstorm is a meta choice. In a bug heavy meta i would Play misdirection and on Combo meta flustertstorm.

[Drizzy]

While the scenario JPA presented might seem a bit far fetched, there's a point in it. At least now that Dig Through Time exists. If DTT was Brainstorm instead, casting FoW on it in the presented situation is most likely too aggressive. Baiting with DTT is more likely to work since the effect provides more value if it resolves.

[JPA]

It's obviously a corner-case scenario, I just wanted to show that there are other applications for Misdirection than redirecting discard spells and merely countering counters.

Still, it's generally our 5th Force of Will.

[cris_rj]

JPA

What is your side in/out for the following decks :

Det

Rug

Reanimator

Miracles

Stoneblade

Iam having troubles because when i side with sneak n show I normally loose consistence of the deck !


Thx, Cris

[GoblinZ]

JPA

What is your side in/out for the following decks :

Det

Rug

Reanimator

Miracles

Stoneblade

Iam having troubles because when i side with sneak n show I normally loose consistence of the deck !



Thx, Cris

I think the primer may already have answered your question.

Also this mostly depends on what your sb is like.

Generally, donnot over-sideboard in most cases

take out some petals vs some slow blue deck

take out your worst cantrips(if you had) and slow cards like dtt against fast combo deck

consider taking out a land vs decks with no wasteland and soft counters.

[MRTY]

So I've been tempted to put together sneak and show for a while now, but I've got a few reservations and questions about the deck (apologies if these have been answered in the thread and I failed to notice).

First, why play this deck over omni-tell? Am I being unfare by putting them in a similar category? Second, whenever I proxy up the deck, I seem to always find myself in the situation where I have multiple fatties in hand with no show and tell or sneak attack. I assume that's just variance at work but I was cuious if there are any plays or ways (besides the obvious brainstorm and shuffle) that you do to keep this from happening. Lastly, any of you have advice on mulligans? Are there any "trap" hands with the deck that look good at first but are actually mulligans?

[JPA]

What is your side in/out for the following decks :

Det (I assume you mean D&T?)

Rug

Reanimator

Miracles

Stoneblade

Based on my current list:

Flex-slots:
2 Dig Through Time
3 Spell Pierce
3 Gitaxian Probe
1 Misdirection

Sideboard:
1 Pyroblast
1 Flusterstorm
1 Echoing Truth
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
2 Defense Grid
3 Pyroclasm
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Through the Breach
2 Blood Moon

This is just a rough guide, I might board differently than that depending on oddball sideboard-cards that I see in game 2 or depending on the draw/play.

vs D&T:
+1 Echoing Truth, +3 Pyroclasm, +2 Through the Breach, +2 Blood Moon
-1 Misdirection, -3 Spell Pierce, -1 Gitaxian Probe, -2 Force of Will, -1 Griselbrand

vs RUG:
+2 Blood Moon, +2 Defense Grid, +1 Echoing Truth, +1 Pyroblast, +1 Flusterstorm
-1 Gitaxian Probe, -2 Dig through Time, -4 Force of Will

On the draw I might keep the Digs and don't board Blood Moon. It might be right to board out 2 Probes and keep in 2 Forces, but I feel I have enough protection with Defense Grid, Pyroblast, Flusterstorm, Misdirection and 3 Pierce. Plus, I like Probe a lot in this matchup to know which of his counters (Daze, Pierce, Flusterstorm, FoW, REB) he has, if any.

vs Reanimator:
+1 Pyroblast, +1 Flusterstorm, +2 Grafdigger's Cage, +2 Through the Breach, +1 Jace, +1 Echoing Truth
-1 Gitaxian Probe, -1 Girselbrand, -1 Mountain, -1 Misdirection, -2 Dig through Time, -2 Show and Tell

If you play against the slower version without Lotus Petal, it might be correct to keep in DTT and board out 2 Petals instead.

vs Miracles:
+2 Through the Breach, +1 Jace, +1 Echoing Truth, +1 Pyroblast
-1 Mountain, -2 Lotus Petal, -1 Misdirection, -1 Gitaxian Probe

vs Stoneblade
UWR ("Golddigger"): +everything except 2 Blood Moon, 2 Grafdigger's Cage
-2 Lotus Petal, -1 Mountain, -2 Gitaxian Probe, -1 Emrakul, -4 Force of Will,
-1 Misdirection

Esper: +1 Jace, +1 Pyroblast, +2 Through the Breach, +3 Pyroclasm, +1 Echoing Truth
- 1 Mountain, -2 Lotus Petal, -2 Force of Will, -3 Gitaxian Probe

1) First, why play this deck over omni-tell? Am I being unfare by putting them in a similar category?
2) Second, whenever I proxy up the deck, I seem to always find myself in the situation where I have multiple fatties in hand with no show and tell or sneak attack. I assume that's just variance at work but I was cuious if there are any plays or ways (besides the obvious brainstorm and shuffle) that you do to keep this from happening.
3) Lastly, any of you have advice on mulligans? Are there any "trap" hands with the deck that look good at first but are actually mulligans?

1) This question has been answered over and over in this and the old thread. In short: 2-card combo having to win via attack-step > 3-card combo winning on the spot. Also better sideboard cards (Pyroclasm, Blood Moon, REB, etc.)

2) Yup, the deck does have some clunky draws.

3) I've been mulliganing very aggressively lately. Don't keep game 1 7-card-hands like FoW, Pierce, Creature, lands, without cantrips. Chances are very high that 6 cards are better. Cantrips are very good in this deck, a hand with Brainstorm and lands + random stuff like combo-pieces / counters is almost always a keep.

[Islandswamp]

I'm still very happy with my SCGIndy list, and it's working well for me on MTGO. Considering your current list is 73/75 cards identical with mine, I think you are well set-up.

I have seen your decks on mtgo, and I see you have played reanimator before, too. Which deck do you think is better right now? I am playing reanimator on mtgo, and I have Shardless and Bug Delver too. I was thinking of getting rid of some of the shardless cards and starting to build sneak and show.

Reanimator has been pretty good to me, but I wonder if Sneak and Show is more consistent.

[JPA]

I have seen your decks on mtgo, and I see you have played reanimator before, too. Which deck do you think is better right now? I am playing reanimator on mtgo, and I have Shardless and Bug Delver too. I was thinking of getting rid of some of the shardless cards and starting to build sneak and show.

Reanimator has been pretty good to me, but I wonder if Sneak and Show is more consistent.

Now that Team America and Shardless BUG are back, I see no reason to play Reanimator over Sneak&Show anymore. If you want to spike a local meta full of combo-decks, Reanimator is obviously the perfect choice, but I don't like its susceptibility to cheap hate-cards like Deathrite Shaman or Grafdigger's Cage (or the other infinite 0-1 mana GY-hate-cards).

[Islandswamp]

Now that Team America and Shardless BUG are back, I see no reason to play Reanimator over Sneak&Show anymore. If you want to spike a local meta full of combo-decks, Reanimator is obviously the perfect choice, but I don't like its susceptibility to cheap hate-cards like Deathrite Shaman or Grafdigger's Cage (or the other infinite 0-1 mana GY-hate-cards).

That's the trouble I've been having. I win a ton of game one's, then lose to some random hate card that I don't draw my answer to. I only play mtgo, and there is a ton of deathrite shamans online.

I have some of the cards I need, but I'm stuck with what I have for a few more weeks probably.

[Islandswamp]

Now that Team America and Shardless BUG are back, I see no reason to play Reanimator over Sneak&Show anymore. If you want to spike a local meta full of combo-decks, Reanimator is obviously the perfect choice, but I don't like its susceptibility to cheap hate-cards like Deathrite Shaman or Grafdigger's Cage (or the other infinite 0-1 mana GY-hate-cards).

Well, I did it. I made your exact list, downloaded it from mtggoldfish. I will let you know how it goes!

* It's late, I only had time for one match. 2-0'd it quickly. I think I had above average draws, turn 2 or 3 show into Griselbrand each time, with back up. It's super fun to do. Show and Tell feels so much better in this deck.

This is the one I downloaded and made.

4 Griselbrand
3 Gitaxian Probe
2 Dig Through Time
4 Force of Will
1 Misdirection
3 Spell Pierce
4 Sneak Attack
3 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
4 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
3 Volcanic Island
4 Ponder
2 Island
4 Lotus Petal
4 Show and Tell
4 Brainstorm
1 Mountain
4 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

2 Blood Moon
2 Defense Grid
1 Echoing Truth
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Swan Song
2 Through the Breach
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
3 Pyroclasm

[Islandswamp]

So, Hymn to Tourach is pretty hard on this deck. I played jund twice tonight, and it didn't go well. I only won one game. I used my brainstorm to try to shield my sneak attack and griselbrand, but the hymn hit both emrakul I had in hand, and made me shuffle.

I'm writing my next article about sneak and show, so I want to learn as much as I can. This is going to probably be the only deck I play this week.

Also, I credited JPA as the designer of the list when I added my deck list to the article. I like to give proper credit.

[Islandswamp]

I write an article every week on PureMTGO.com, and this week, I wrote about Sneak and Show, if anyone is interested. http://puremtgo.com/articles/legacy-lessons-get-sneaky

Special thanks to the author of this primer, the information was extremely helpful.

[GoblinZ]

So, Hymn to Tourach is pretty hard on this deck. I played jund twice tonight, and it didn't go well. I only won one game. I used my brainstorm to try to shield my sneak attack and griselbrand, but the hymn hit both emrakul I had in hand, and made me shuffle.

I'm writing my next article about sneak and show, so I want to learn as much as I can. This is going to probably be the only deck I play this week.

Also, I credited JPA as the designer of the list when I added my deck list to the article. I like to give proper credit.

You should always keep in mind that if they discard your Emmy with either hymn or spot discard you will "lose" the key card you hide with brainstorm, so you should be more tricky in most cases like that.

Jund is a favorable mu in general. I think with spell pierce and misdirection, hymn is not so hard to deal with.

I have not got the time to read what you write but happy to see your article.

[JPA]

I write an article every week on PureMTGO.com, and this week, I wrote about Sneak and Show, if anyone is interested. http://puremtgo.com/articles/legacy-lessons-get-sneaky

Special thanks to the author of this primer, the information was extremely helpful.

Very well written, comprehensive article. I'm glad the primer helped you, even though it is a little outdated.

[Islandswamp]

Very well written, comprehensive article. I'm glad the primer helped you, even though it is a little outdated.

Thanks man! That means a lot, especially coming from someone who is good enough with the deck to have written a primer! Hit me up on MTGO if you ever want to play a match. Unfortunately, I miss Daily Events most of the time due to having a conflicting family schedule, but I'm hoping to catch one soon.

[i_b_TRUE]

Heys guys!

Wondering if I could get some suggestions. I would like to build Sneak and Show online but its about 1k to build which is a little ridiculous to be honest. Anyone have suggestions of how to get there, build up my acct, sell cards etc? What did you guys do? I figured some good feedback would help.

I have Sneak and Show in paper, but I really would like to play the deck a lot more (since my work schedule conflicts with weekends sometimes which all tournaments fall on

Thanks!