Sultai Elves continues its unstoppable march. Currently 14-0 in games with it. Thus far I faced in this Daily:
R1: Infect, 2-0
R2: SneakShow, 2-0
R3: Miracles, 2-0
Note that I don't bring in Flusterstorm vs Miracles, there seems to just be no room. But maybe that's wrong. I'm currently siding out 4 NO, 2 Glimpse, 2 Quirion Rangers, 1 Nettle Sentinel and 1 Heritage Druid vs Miracles.
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
Dont understand why you call it sultai. Its ok, you run blue, but only sb. If you would run it main like the japanese list with 2 brainstorm I would understand it. But makes no sense to me.
Just a thing I think.
I think we officially settled on Team Tanzania.
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
Originally Posted by Julian23
Are you just winning all your games vs Miracles based on a timely-resolved Choke?
I'm not sure I understand taking out all 4 NO and 2 Glimpse. Especially when Glimpse is much easier blanked by way of CB/Top and Terminus, and NO is easier to get through and can still win/steal games.
The deck seems pretty anemic to me when you remove 6 of 8 big-business spells. And really going on the reactive side seems tough against a deck that can find what it needs so easily.
I'm curious to hear your thoughts and experiences, though. Are you getting lucky with landing Choke or are you finding this sideboarding has really lead to more post-board wins?
Null Rod, Needle, Chokes, Library and Decays are boarded in for those 10 I assume.
It's not about becoming reactive against miracles, it's that they have so many trumps to your most powerful and cost intensive spells that it becomes extremely risky to cast them. The only reactive card you bring in normally is abrupt decay because counter-balance just blanks like half the deck. Lately I keep in 1-2 NO just to counter entreat, but I think that reasoning is wrong as well.
Julian's previous post was about him drinking the mtgo haterade as much as possible. You'd have to get a direct reply out of him as I can not be bothered playing dailies given the new schedule. Maybe if you're lucky he can get a set in with someone from team euroswag with this SB and see how it goes.
I'm shocked to hear you take out two Quirion Rangers. In my mind, the perfect board against Miracles is a Quirion Ranger, Wirewood Symbiote, Dryad Arbor and Pendelhaven. That way I'm attacking for 4 and can only lose one creature to Terminus. And I find Miracles StP'ing a Dryad Arbor really hinders me since the threat of EoT fetch a body is relevant surprisingly often. Would love to hear your thoughts.
So... Elves! is big in Japan, or so it seems...
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...acy-2015-03-03
In light of recent discussion, I did lol hard when I saw the Regal Force in the MB. I don't want to stir up the discussion again, but it's pretty funny.
You don't win vs. Miracles by casting bombs. You win vs. them by drawing cards and keeping a clock on the board. This is why fetchlands+Arbor and Pendelhaven are amazing in the matchup, for example.
And what about all the Tasigur's I see lately, anyone tried/or please explain?? I also see less and less Progenitus, but I think we need it vs BUG decks! And should i buy a pack master? It must be rly funny to have on board, but I can't find the room while I still play a Ruric in the main...
@Julian: Your sideboard and side boarding plans seem to have changed drastically since I last checked! Are you planning to use the same configuration in paper magic? Or is it just a online meta call (I don't play online so don't rly know). Ps: Jamie can't go to Rome and I'm looking for people to join.. Any Tips ^_^?!
Well... Tasigur isn't an Elf, isn't green, doesn't advance our gameplan as directly as Craterhoof does and we don't put many cards in our graveyard quickly so why would we want to play it?
WRP works fine vs. BUG (which is already a pretty good MU in my experience). It's a good way to pull yourself ahead when both in topdeck mode and leaves you with at least 1 creature after a sweeper.
About Tasigur, yeah that's why I ask. Is it a decklist typo? No I guess? I've seen it many times but it looks bad to me aswell ;)! So we agree on that..
I guess I could use WRP in a fair meta instead of Ruric, but in an open field (let's say Lille) I have to rely on Ruric I guess =)
I dont think is a typo. Its a good card vs delver decks and atrition matches. Big beater getting adavantage And stoping goyf mungo and bolt proof.
You just have to be incredibly lucky to draw into it, seeing it's only a 1-off.
To get it reliably you'd at least have to run a Fierce Empath somewhere in the 75 so you can GSZ for it. With an Empath and 4 GSZ you'll effectively run 6 copies of it.
I don't have a lot of time to reply, but this is one of the most devastating assumptions about why not to run a card that has been haunting deckbuilding for ages.
The seven cardinal sins of Legacy:
1. Discuss the unbanning ofLand TaxEarthcraft.
2. Argue that banning Force of Will would make the format healthier.
3. Play Brainstorm without Fetchlands.
4. Stifle Standstill.
5. Think that Gaea's Blessing will make you Solidarity-proof.
6. Pass priority after playing Infernal Tutor.
7. Fail to playtest against Nourishing Lich (coZ iT wIlL gEt U!).
Same^
Elfs usualy only runs ome choke sometimes. You have to be lucky to draw into it. May be you can play a savanah and a academy rector to search for it.
It's the principle on which the deck only ran 1 Craterhoof/Progenitus for a very long time (back in the day) so there's that. Also, sideboard slots are scarce so when filling them I like to maximize my odds of finding that card I decided to be good enough to board in instead of yelling YOLO and praying to Titania I'll have it.
I want to be as certain as possible that I'll get a nice bang for my buck, sue me.
Tasigur is basically just a random life insurance against sweepers like Deluge or a shitload of burn, so you can YOLO that Bastard for a Minimum of mana into play and ride. For me: a fat-ass Version of Ooze
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I love Japanese lists. So much insanity.
Their top 64 is ridiculous http://www.sanc.jp/bmo03/legacy/17.html
This.
As much as I want to touch the Regal Force debate again, I will refrain.
Out of curiosity, does Taisugar work for people? I thought about including it for the Burn match-up, but I feel like in the situations where I would play it (i.e. my yard is littered with dead elves), I would almost rather play Scavenging Ooze. Having to fiddle with the mana to make it relevant/protect it is a bit of a pain, though. Also, does the activated ability on this guy ever come up or is he just a body?
While Tasigur is new and cool and all...I don't see how it ever gets into the deck before Wren's Run Packmaster.
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