[Deck] Team America (BUG Delver)

[defector]

I think that if you looks at the disruption suite you need synergy and redundancy. I like 4/4/4 Daze/FoW/Hymn. That's a pretty solid 12. If you go under 12 you start to soften up to combo decks like storm or snt, and it's also challenging to really lean on Lilli as disruption as she is a little slow for the tier one combo decks in Legacy. You can also mix in Stifle which is both more conditional and at times more back breaking. I'd say pick a 12 and get some rounds in and see what you like. I love Hymn for example and just want to cast it. You can also look at cards like Clique as kind of a soft increase to both the disruption and threat density in the deck. You have lots of tools to choose from, play around with them.
cheers
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[Lans89]

I play 4 FoW, 4 Daze, 3 Thoughtseize, 2 Hymn, 2 Liliana in a list with 2 Confidants. Maybe I want to swap 1 seize for a 3th Hymn or a piece of removal. I don't like the lifeloss from thoughtseize because of Confidant right now, but still prefer trageted discard over Hymn =(.. In a lot of matchups it doesn't matter much, but still..

[btm10]

List looks good to me, but why the second Trop over the fourth Sea? Black seems critical in this list, considering Hymn, Lili, even the Confidants too.

I want four green and five blue sources, especially postboard where I'm bringing in several additional green cards. I'm actually considering cutting a Bayou for the fourth sea if I go down a green source because I hate mulliganing otherwise solid 1-landers because Bayou is the one land.

I play 4 FoW, 4 Daze, 3 Thoughtseize, 2 Hymn, 2 Liliana in a list with 2 Confidants. Maybe I want to swap 1 seize for a 3th Hymn or a piece of removal. I don't like the lifeloss from thoughtseize because of Confidant right now, but still prefer trageted discard over Hymn =(.. In a lot of matchups it doesn't matter much, but still..

I think it's a matter of prederence. My oddball disruption suite works for me. If anything I'd go to just four pieces of discard on top of your Lilianas, but that's just me.

[TLK]

Picking your battles is indeed the conundrum. You only have 15 slots to work with, and those will also be based largely on what your main 60 looks like.

Lately I've dropped Hymn and am playing a 3/3 split of Spell Pierce and Stifle + 3 Dark Confidant + 1 TNN due to changes in my local metagame (plenty of Control and Combo decks, but also a fair amount of opposing tempo decks). I also dropped Liliana entirely (since she's too slow right now) and am running 3/2 Decay/Disfigure for my removal right now. My current sideboard:

1 Flusterstorm
1 Force of Will (only 3 in MD)
1 Vendilion Clique
2 Thoughtseize
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Marsh Casualties (over Golgari Charm since I'm running Bob + TNN)
1 Dread of Night
1 Life from the Loam
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Life from the Loam
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse

DoN is arguably the most narrow card there, but it's what I consider to be a necessary evil due to the prevalence of White creature decks in my metagame and also at large. It's really up to people to decide if DnT is prevalent enough to justify running it, but DoN is just *soooo* good at beating those strategies. It's the perfect sideboard card because it's relevant no matter when you get to cast it, and can really help out against a bad board state. (Some SB cards need to be proactively deployed or only serve as temporary measures).

You have Loam listed twice in your board. Are you running 2 Loam or is there another card you left out?

[wcm8]

You have Loam listed twice in your board. Are you running 2 Loam or is there another card you left out?

typo, the missing card was probably another removal spell like Diabolic edict or similar.

My list was just put together for that weekend. Build your own SB based on your main deck and local expectations. I'm not even so sure if I'm entirely sold on running Stifle, and will likely go back to Hymn if I'm playing TA. Also I think it's a toss-up between Dark Confidant and Sylvan Library; they both shine in different scenarios.

[KobeBryan]

typo, the missing card was probably another removal spell like Diabolic edict or similar.

My list was just put together for that weekend. Build your own SB based on your main deck and local expectations. I'm not even so sure if I'm entirely sold on running Stifle, and will likely go back to Hymn if I'm playing TA. Also I think it's a toss-up between Dark Confidant and Sylvan Library; they both shine in different scenarios.

Yea i don't like the stifle build. I rather just jam and jam and jam.

Waiting isn't my game.

[ANRoebuck]

Took first place at a local event ("Win a playset of Noble Hierarch") with a slightly experimental list. Tournament report here - http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...626#post874626


Highlights - Tasigur beating up Tarmogoyfs; Tasigur beating up Tombstalkers; topping the swiss; not dropping a game in the top8; Surgical-ing all my opponent's lands away; building a really wonky sideboard and not getting punished for it

[TLK]

Got 3rd in a small 10-man Legacy tournament last night.

Round 1 vs. Imperial Painter:

He wins game 1 on the back of a timely Blood Moon. I had the mana to float for an Abrupt Decay, but unfortunately he had a Spellskite on board. Close, but he took it. Game 2 I was able to counter/disrupt him enough for a large Goyf to take care of business. Game 3 he has a turn 1 Magus of the Moon on the play. GG. :/

0-1, 1-2

Round 2 vs. Mono Black Control:

It's a weird build with Waste Not, tons of discard, Smallpox, etc. His finishers are Abyssal Persecutor and Desecration Demon. The large fliers were hard to deal with once in play, and I succumb to 6/6 monsters game 1. Game 2, my timely Thoughtseize took a Demon and I was able to ride double Goyf to victory. Game 3 is similar to game 2.

1-1, 2-1

Round 3 vs. Burn:

Game 1 he gets a close game with a Price of Progress. Games 2 and 3 I'm able to counter most of his big spells as well as gain tons of life/deal tons of damage with Deathrite Shaman. He was the all star in this matchup. Large Goyfs acted as roadblocks for opposing Guides and Swiftspears. Disfigures and Decays helped with Lavamancer and Eidolon.

2-1, 2-1

Deck felt pretty good overall. The T1 Magus was just unfortunate luck. I think I need to revise my sideboard a bit.

[Lans89]

Pff the 3 Confi, 3 Pierce, 3 stifle builds are doing very well... I can't rly decide on which one is better. Discard gives so much information, something I miss when trying out that 'new' list. I keep switching between the

I also love to play with 2 Confi in a discard build, but the Thoughtseize lifeloss is still an issue. 2 confi, 2 hymn, 2 Seize, 2 liliana, 2 disfigure, 3 decay, 19 lands + the usual is what I'm thinking off now.

[o_boogie]

I think both the Hymn and Stifle builds are perfectly fine in the current meta. If you are having trouble deciding which to choose, I would just ask which of those two cards you would prefer to cast. I prefer Hymn cause of the sad faces I see from my opponents when it resolves.

[Lans89]

I think both the Hymn and Stifle builds are perfectly fine in the current meta. If you are having trouble deciding which to choose, I would just ask which of those two cards you would prefer to cast. I prefer Hymn cause of the sad faces I see from my opponents when it resolves.

Haha yeah, Hymn is fun to play! But I would most likely only play 2 copies =). And as others stated, jamming is more fun than waiting! I guess I know what I want to play hmm, but the stifle results are still tunning!

[wcm8]

In general, being aggressive is *always* better than being reactive. Threats are always potential game-winners, whereas reactive cards need to be both A) timely and B) appropriate for the given scenario. Neither of those is always guaranteed; conversely, a flipped Delver *demands* an answer. The thing about RUG is that is can use its reactive portion to shield its threats, whereas BUG is more about running the opponent out of answers and then winning via topdeck (speaking in general, obviously this isn't always the case). Either approach can work, asHymn isn't *always* powerful (but then, neither is Spell Pierce or Stifle).

This doesn't apply directly to BUG, but I played a Grixis list this past weekend in a local 24-man tournament, piloting it to top 4. Previously I was testing a version that ran a lot of reactive spells, minimal threats, and no Dazes, but found that this list was too slow and it was difficult to always capitalize on opportunities due to not having a creature onboard. So I instead ran a version that had more threats, including Delvers and Monastery Swiftspear and 4 Daze. The list ran much, much smoother as I generally always had a threat onboard.

I think that aggro-control is the right approach to the metagame at large, and the sideboard can be built to answer the strategies' weaknesses. It becomes a matter of taste to decide on running BUG, RUG, Grixis, UR, and even UG Infect is essentially a tempo deck that utilizes a similar approach to closing out games. Each has their strengths and weaknesses, and unless more broken cards are printed that make one color combination undeniably 'the best', there's no definitive answer. And even then, Legacy has plenty of strong sideboard cards to answer just about anything.

[Deckerator]

When do you play Disfigure (1-2x) in the mainboard?

[KobeBryan]

When do you play Disfigure (1-2x) in the mainboard?

When the meta is full of delver decks, stoneblade decks, or creature decks.

[ANRoebuck]

When do you play Disfigure (1-2x) in the mainboard?

At the moment? Always. The prevalence of x/2s is significant enough that it's useful in more games than it isn't, and it also lets you win in combat in situations like Goyf vs Batterskull. You should probably be looking at either 4/1 or 3/2 for your Abrupt Decay/Disfigure split in the main, with a total of 4/2 or 4/3 in the 75.

It really is x/2s, as well - unfortunately Darkblast really isn't the card it used to be

[Secretly.A.Bee]

Yeah, unless Miracles is big in your area. They are just plain bad against Miracles.

From my phone. I do my best, dammit!

[btm10]

At the moment? Always. The prevalence of x/2s is significant enough that it's useful in more games than it isn't, and it also lets you win in combat in situations like Goyf vs Batterskull. You should probably be looking at either 4/1 or 3/2 for your Abrupt Decay/Disfigure split in the main, with a total of 4/2 or 4/3 in the 75.

It really is x/2s, as well - unfortunately Darkblast really isn't the card it used to be

To be fair, Goyf vs. Batterskull is usually a win for Goyf anyway.

Yeah, unless Miracles is big in your area. They are just plain bad against Miracles.

From my phone. I do my best, dammit!

This (and other non-creature matchups) is why I don't like non-Decay, non-Liliana removal maindeck. I was up to 2 MD Dimir Charm when Cruise was legal and that worked very well. I think that some number of MD Disfigures are fine (and even correct) if you have a bunch of creature decks to slog through. In my meta (or in a large unknown meta), I'd rather have the Charm if you were absolutely committed to an additional maindeck removal spell. I know that it doesn't kill flipped Delvers and doesn't break Goyf/Tasigur standoffs, but it does everything else that you want Disfigure for without being dead in a third or more of your matchups. Especially in the case of Miracles, where drawing a hard counter versus drawing a brick is often the difference between winning and losing.

[Deckerator]

Here is my list. Played
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Tombstalker

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Daze
4 Force of Will

4 Thoughtseize
2 Hymn to Tourach

1 Sylvan library

4 Polluted Delta
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Wasteland
3 Underground Sea
3 Tropical Island
2 Bayou

This is the list i play at the moment.
After Disfigure I have got some questions about some other options in the deck.
The ideas are.
--> 2 Tasigur instead of Tombstalker. I have tested Tombstalker and he is a good option because he is 5/5 flying and not legendary. The downside is the double B
--> 4 Hymn and 0 Thoughtseize instead of 2 Hymn and 4 Thoughtseize. Im not really convinced of so many BB spells.
+ 2 Liliana of the Veil.

For me, i really like Liliana but cmc 3 is much in this deck and she is not really a win con.

Any ideas?

[meffeo]

Gurmag Angler is a viable option instead of the 2nd Tasigur. It costs 1 delve more but power is greater and most important thing, it's not legendary (see Karakas); you won't activate most of the time Tasigur's ability.

I either don't like Liliana. It's not a wincon and I'm still searchin' for a decent substitute.


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Edit:

For reference, this is the list I'm approaching to:

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
1 Tasigur
1 Gurmag Angler
1 Tombstalker
2 TNN

4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Force of Will
4 Daze
2 Disfigure
1 Dimir Charm
4 Hymn to Tourach

1 Sylvan Library

4 Waste
3 Usea
1 Bayou
2 Tropical Island
9 Fetches

SB
1 Flusterstorm
1 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Nihil Spellbomb
1 Pithing Needle
1 Spell Pierce
1 Surgical Extraction
2 Dread of Night
1 Null Rod
2 Marsh Casualties
1 Engineered Plague
1 Krosan Grip
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Vendilion Clique

[I_Hate_Counterspells]

4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
1 Tasigur
1 Gurmag Angler
1 Tombstalker
2 TNN

No Goyf? This must be an April Fool, yes?! ;-)