[Deck] ANT (Ad Nauseam Tendrils) Storm Combo

[dissy]

You can not justify boarding creature removal just for speculating on potential hatebears and Clique as it's job usually done once it entered the battlefield. You can however find reason for additional flexible permanent-removal like more copies of Decays, Grips or CoV (play artifacts, bounce them and opponents Canonist, replay artifacts into Tendrils)

Hey Lemnear,

Thx for you response like i said i'am not an experienced player those were just my thoughts. I think your right. Iam gonna keep it on a maximum of 2 massacres and fit some more Cotv decays or grips in :)
did someone ever tryed ratchet bom it can take out there mages and cannonist, and some case it can prevent you from them playing there angels.

[Sloshthedark]

Yea, Kai hit the issue that is occuping my thoughts since reading Ovino decklists, to stress the issue is why I responded in the first place, cannonist used to fringe tech (not many dare to play that with Snapcaster), but I saw that in multiple lists and got MMed right after Kyoto... Unfortunately this development renders my prefered tech, pithing needle, unusable... Sbing in Massacre I'd be sbing 12 cards...So I'm interested in experience outgrinding miracles w sdt and multiple G spells, which did not work for me yet, but there is no better way it seems for this situation... I don't think split in favor of KG is optimal as it does not deal with the MM and does nothing for the rest of the MU

[sawatarix]

You are right.
The current Miracle lists are pure "Storm slayers"
We need to fight:

->4-6 hatebears
->4 counterbalances
->floating countermagic on top
->2+ countermagic in their hand
->Sometimes Monastery Mentor to negate our goblin plan

meddling mage on abrupt decay is super annoying as I mentioned earlier.
The question is how to fight this mass of couter&permanent hate.
It's like playing against an unfair version of Death&Taxes.

I did some test playings with one of the best Miracle Players in Tokyo yesterday, these cards came in:

+2 Sensei's Divining Top
+2 Abrupt Decay
+3 Krosan Grip
+2 City of Solitude
+1 Thoughtseize

-3 Ponder
-1 Preordain
-2 Cabal Ritual
-1 Infernal Tutor
-1 Led
-2 Lotus Petal

He brought in:

+2 Ethersworn Canonist
+3 Meddling Mage
+2 Flusterstorm
+1 Rest in Piece
+2 Vendillion Clique

-4 Terminus
-2 Entreat the Angels
-1 councils Judgement
-1 Plains
-2 X


Postboard their deck become a hatebear.deck with infinite counterbackup.
We also had the chatter about fighting back with creatures.

[Bryant Cook]

Is Grip actually better than some number of Wipeaway? Wipeaway can theoretically answer Meddling Mage where Grip cannot.

EDIT: Also the Goblin plan seems incredible if they're siding out all of their Terminus.

[Sloshthedark]

I have 4AD, 2pyro, 2KG, 2extirpate, possibly 2 Massacre at 2SDT now, I'll try squezing in 3rd and dust off Pernicious Deed... Other plan to try is Goblins as Bryant says, but those G3 are awkward

[Rokkastut]

You are right.
The current Miracle lists are pure "Storm slayers"
We need to fight:

->4-6 hatebears
->4 counterbalances
->floating countermagic on top
->2+ countermagic in their hand
->Sometimes Monastery Mentor to negate our goblin plan

meddling mage on abrupt decay is super annoying as I mentioned earlier.
The question is how to fight this mass of couter&permanent hate.
It's like playing against an unfair version of Death&Taxes.

I did some test playings with one of the best Miracle Players in Tokyo yesterday, these cards came in:

+2 Sensei's Divining Top
+2 Abrupt Decay
+3 Krosan Grip
+2 City of Solitude
+1 Thoughtseize

-3 Ponder
-1 Preordain
-2 Cabal Ritual
-1 Infernal Tutor
-1 Led
-2 Lotus Petal

He brought in:

+2 Ethersworn Canonist
+3 Meddling Mage
+2 Flusterstorm
+1 Rest in Piece
+2 Vendillion Clique

-4 Terminus
-2 Entreat the Angels
-1 councils Judgement
-1 Plains
-2 X


Postboard their deck become a hatebear.deck with infinite counterbackup.
We also had the chatter about fighting back with creatures.

In this case, wouldn't a single Entreat the Angels do the job? You just have to be careful about counterspells in their hand. Just play the control game (with ANT, lol). Get a LED and TOP into play and ETA on top of library. I have had some good results with this card in g2/g3 against slow decks that side out removal.

[sawatarix]

Pernicious Deed to get rid of Hatebears and Counterbalance? Sounds really interesting, similar to engineered explosives. Haven't tested both cards so far so I can't tell if they are good or not. Maybe you can Martin :)

[Arguru]

With so many problems,is a bad idea to try to win asap?
I mean something like this:
+3/4 decay
+2/3 xantid swarm
+1 etw

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[DarkJester]

... and dust off Pernicious Deed...

I freakin' love that card. Nice idea, sounds hilarious but who knows.

[Lemnear]

I freakin' love that card. Nice idea, sounds hilarious but who knows.

It's not outright hilarious if you don't run Ad Nauseam, but slow and mana-intense as fuck. At this point you can ponder about Tygon Predator for dealing with SDT/Counterbalance/Canonist/Rest In Piece/MUD/etc.

[Megadeus]

It's not outright hilarious if you don't run Ad Nauseam, but slow and mana-intense as fuck. At this point you can ponder about Tygon Predator for dealing with SDT/Counterbalance/Canonist/Rest In Piece/MUD/etc.

I actually really like the Triangle Man idea... The one Issue I see is that it still trades with a VClique from Miracles (for those that play it)

[Rokkastut]

Just somme quick questions, that probably get a long answer.

1. What is our best strategy against BUG Delver? (and sideboard plan), what about RUG-, UWR-, Grixis Delver, and Deathblade s there alot difference?

2. What is out best strategy against Elves? Just go faster? Or grinding station? What about sideboarding?

[AmokPL]

sorry. That is one sweet altered Tendrils

[Lemnear]

Just somme quick questions, that probably get a long answer.

1. What is our best strategy against BUG Delver? (and sideboard plan), what about RUG-, UWR-, Grixis Delver, and Deathblade s there alot difference?

2. What is out best strategy against Elves? Just go faster? Or grinding station? What about sideboarding?

1. Strange question. Your strategy is "boot to the head" as you have only 1 trait to kill them. Bit more serious: There are four categories: counter+discard, counter+hatebears, counter+discard+hatebears and counter only. You can play around DRS and softcounters, but need solutions to hatebears. The Rest is imo a game of reason and options

2. Race them and strip their Glimpse & Natural Order. Grinding Station plan is doomed to fail, because you just can't kill them slowly by draining them with several ToAs if their Craterhoof or Ruric kill you (more or less) immediately

[Rokkastut]

1. Strange question. Your strategy is "boot to the head" as you have only 1 trait to kill them. Bit more serious: There are four categories: counter+discard, counter+hatebears, counter+discard+hatebears and counter only. You can play around DRS and softcounters, but need solutions to hatebears. The Rest is imo a game of reason and options

2. Race them and strip their Glimpse & Natural Order. Grinding Station plan is doomed to fail, because you just can't kill them slowly by draining them with several ToAs if their Craterhoof or Ruric kill you (more or less) immediately

Thank you :-) Have not yet played a single game against Elves, so it may be interesting.

[Megadeus]

Thank you :-) Have not yet played a single game against Elves, so it may be interesting.

My plan against Elves has been generally to go off as quickly as possible. If you aren't on Ad Nauseam main, bring it in. I tried boarding in answers like Massacre and such against them, but I found it to be awful and decided to go on the Yolo plan.

[sawatarix]

Bring in Flusterstorm and Ad Nauseam against Elves and call it a day.

@Trygon Predator,Pernicious Deed and friends: If my spells resolve against Miracle they should be Infernal Tutor and Dark Ritual instead of those "solutions".
I still appreciate all your ideas.

[BrettF]

While we are on the topic of strange man-plans: anyone tried grim lavamancer? Against miraclea he picks off hatebears and also applys pressure through the lock if he comes down before cb. Horrible draw lategame though.

[Megadeus]

While we are on the topic of strange man-plans: anyone tried grim lavamancer? Against miraclea he picks off hatebears and also applys pressure through the lock if he comes down before cb. Horrible draw lategame though.

That's actually kinda funny. Unfortunately I think he's bad simply because you would need to play 4 of them for him to come down early. I say we just play a Delver SB like:

4 Delver
4 Stifle
4 Wasteland
4 Force
3 Tombstalker

And just get em