[Primer] R/G Lands

[lavafrogg]

Welcome, my young and ignorant friend...

How so?

[Chatto]

@ lavafrog: just a little joke, Tabernacle is one of the sweetest cards around! You won't be sorry owning it.

I once played a MU against a guy who was on SnT. He told me he was fairly new to Legacy, and just bought all Duals and most staples, worth around € 10.000. After the game, he and his friends asked me if they could see my Tabernacle. So I grabbed the card and showed it to them. The strangest thing occured: they all gazed at it in awe... That's what an effect Tabernacle has on some people

@ barcode: how did you do in the end? And which 75 did you bring?

[lavafrogg]

@ lavafrog: just a little joke, Tabernacle is one of the sweetest cards around! You won't be sorry owning it.

I once played a MU against a guy who was on SnT. He told me he was fairly new to Legacy, and just bought all Duals and most staples, worth around € 10.000. After the game, he and his friends asked me if they could see my Tabernacle. So I grabbed the card and showed it to them. The strangest thing occured: they all gazed at it in awe... That's what an effect Tabernacle has on some people

@ barcode: how did you do in the end? And which 75 did you bring?

Lol, thanks!

[barcode]

@ barcode: how did you do in the end? And which 75 did you bring?

On Thursday: 9-1-1 in games (5-0 overall match score) for a sweet 720 tix.

On Sunday I can't recall game scores but I was 3-2 overall. I played this:


3 Crop Rotation
3 Dark Depths
4 Exploration
1 Forest
4 Gamble
1 Glacial Chasm
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Karakas
4 Life from the Loam
2 Manabond
3 Maze of Ith
4 Mox Diamond
4 Punishing Fire
4 Rishadan Port
3 Taiga
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
4 Thespian's Stage
3 Tranquil Thicket
4 Wasteland
3 Wooded Foothills

Sideboard:

1 Bojuka Bog
2 Chalice of the Void
1 Choke
1 Cursed Totem
4 Krosan Grip
2 Primeval Titan
4 Sphere of Resistance


Very happy overall with the 75. Cursed Totem hasn't been pulling its weight and may get turned into another Choke or Sphere effect. I tried Seal of Primordium to have a 5th Krosan Grip (and to leave it in play, bypassing an early Counterbalance) but Seal was awful.

[lavafrogg]

Has anyone tried noxious recival as a 2 of in the board? Protects loams, rebuys sideboard cards and also uses the graveyard as a resource so you can dredge for anything.

Thoughts?

[Dice_Box]

Has anyone tried noxious recival as a 2 of in the board? Protects loams, rebuys sideboard cards and also uses the graveyard as a resource so you can dredge for anything.

Thoughts?

What would you cut to add it? That is always the balancing act, when you want to ad something you need to be sure it is better than the items you are taking away.

[lavafrogg]

What would you cut to add it? That is always the balancing act, when you want to ad something you need to be sure it is better than the items you are taking away.

4 krosan grip
4 sphere of resistance
2 noxious revival
1 primeval Titan
1 bojuka bog
1 karakas
1 choke
1 dark depths/emrakul

This is what I am currently testing. My main is standard except -1 manabond +1worm harvest to make sure I can win game 1 against miracles. Noxious revival has just been super helpful and I am wondering if anyone else has tested.

[Chatto]

Well, never thought about that card. I use 1 Thicket and 1 Canopy as protection for LftL, bit getting valuable SB-cards back is tech.

One thing to consider as well: NR can buy you a turn against Reanimator,

Opp: Entomb, fatty in GY
Me: EoT cast NR

Pretty narrow, but it can happen.

[Whitefaces]

One thing to consider as well: NR can buy you a turn against Reanimator,

Opp: Entomb, fatty in GY
Me: EoT cast NR

Pretty narrow, but it can happen.

Or you just do it in response to their reanimate/exhume?

[door]

Has anyone tried noxious recival as a 2 of in the board? Protects loams, rebuys sideboard cards and also uses the graveyard as a resource so you can dredge for anything.

Thoughts?

Every time I thought about that card (I did), I came up with "I better put another choke in SB" =)

[barcode]

Has anyone tried noxious recival as a 2 of in the board? Protects loams, rebuys sideboard cards and also uses the graveyard as a resource so you can dredge for anything.

Thoughts?

Skeptical.

Tranquil Thicket protects Loam (better than revival). If you want to have another sideboard card why not just add another of that. Lands sideboards tend to have lots of 4-ofs for redundancy and to draw more of them. Noxious Revival stealing your draw step makes it a very heavy cost when there's no guarantee that you'll have Noxious Revival in your hand or have a card in your graveyard worth putting on top.

[Chatto]

Or you just do it in response to their reanimate/exhume?

Even better, you're absolutely right.

[gigapatrick]

Noxious Revival seems super bad to me, since 1) it's card disadvantage in the same way Enlightened Tutor is, while simultaneously being less versatile, and, more importantly, 2) it is a graveyard-reliant card in the board, which means you can only play it after your opponent has boarded in a bunch of graveyard hate.

[lavafrogg]

Noxious Revival seems super bad to me, since 1) it's card disadvantage in the same way Enlightened Tutor is, while simultaneously being less versatile, and, more importantly, 2) it is a graveyard-reliant card in the board, which means you can only play it after your opponent has boarded in a bunch of graveyard hate.

Loam decks don't really play by normal card advantage rules. The deck really only cares for a set number of cards. Rest in peace merits 4x krosan grip and noxious revival helps against all other graveyard hate by saving loams from extraction for free, dodges crypt for free, and also lets you dredge into non land cards that would help.

Since it has an alternate cost it also helps in matchups with blood moon, getting back moxes or gambles.

[Chatto]

If you would stick to 'save SB-cards from the GY' I would consider the card, but LftL is easier (and most importantly without the risk of being countered) 'saved' with Thicket and/or Canopy.

[Dice_Box]

If you would stick to 'save SB-cards from the GY' I would consider the card, but LftL is easier (and most importantly without the risk of being countered) 'saved' with Thicket and/or Canopy.

I am in agreement with this. Also if you want to save sideboard cards, run one of the two Ruins. I know it doesn't save everything, but it's close enough while fitting into the plan.

[Rampart]

Loam decks don't really play by normal card advantage rules. The deck really only cares for a set number of cards. Rest in peace merits 4x krosan grip and noxious revival helps against all other graveyard hate by saving loams from extraction for free, dodges crypt for free, and also lets you dredge into non land cards that would help.

Since it has an alternate cost it also helps in matchups with blood moon, getting back moxes or gambles.

So, congrats on getting your tabernacle and welcome to the brotherhood of misery.

Its true that loam decks would like to not play by normal card advantage rules but in a lot of cases especially after sideboard they are forced to play by normal card advantage rules. You can't rely on loam in games 2 or 3 and learning to play without loam will provide you the greatest level of tournament success. Losing card advantage is a big deal in the sideboard games because your a G/R deck and you don't have access the cantrip suite like most legacy decks have access to, you can't dig without Loam and you need to rely on specific answers to either sideboard hate or learn to play around it.

RIP isn't the reason for 4 grips, its RIP plus some of the following, T-Web, Blood Moon, Ensnaring Bridge, Top, Counterbalance, Omniscience and the millions of other things you need to grip its the most flexible card for what it does in this version of lands. I have a feeling that you already know this though.

So, Noxious Revival. I don't think its bad but it probably requires to much work and to much set-up for it to really shine this is proabably because of the role it plays. Noxious Revival is purely a reactive card and this version of lands is very proactive in what it is trying to achieve, also if you want an similar effect I would probably run SDT because you get more dig that's not GY dependent. I think the real issue though with it is the two sideboard slots it takes to make it work. You basically have 4 Grip and 6-7 Resister effects for combo which gives you about 4-5 open slots in the sideboard. I don't want to take two of those slots up to "get" my opponent maybe. I would rather run card that do something proactive like Assualt, Titan, Choke etc.

[lavafrogg]

If you would stick to 'save SB-cards from the GY' I would consider the card, but LftL is easier (and most importantly without the risk of being countered) 'saved' with Thicket and/or Canopy.

I am playing in a tournament next week so I can let you know how revival does in a tournament setting. Until then I have not seen a sideboard that anyone has been really happy with consistently except for 4 grips 4 spheres it seems that everything else is up for debate.

[Dice_Box]

4 Sphere, 4 Grip, a utility land and two other pieces of Combo hate I think is standard. (Chalice, 3shpere) Since I run 2 lands in the side, that leaves me three slots to play with, I do not think that card is strong enough to take any of those three slots.

[Chatto]

Yup, biggest problem is the fact we have so few flex-slots. My SB at this moment:

1 Dark Depths (not sure about this SB-slot)
1 Pithing Needle (not sure about this one either)
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Trinisphere
2 Seismic Assault
4 Sphere of Resistance
4 Krosan Grip

It's tight as it is, but I'm willing to keep an open mind. I have my doubts and right now I wouldn't fit in NR, but if your results prove me wrong...