[Deck] MonoU OmniTell

[Rekk]

Does trickbind really merit a spot in the sideboard?

When you have access to trickbind you also have access to an attempted instant speed kill via firemind's
cunning wish, impulse, brainstorm,

if you find a copy of cunning wish or emrakul off impulse you can win.

[Rekk]

Let me clarify the question. What is the advantage of using cunning wish over burning wish in the new(er) dig through time builds? It's my understanding that the concensus was to use the mono blue version over the u/r, u/b, u/b/r versions as it helped make the deck, "wasteland proof"(despite its sol lands) however; the "mono blue" version now plays Volcanic Islands anyway.

5 mana for show is pretty slow, and the turn set up of burning wish pass show feels so bad. They have so much time to prepare. Although you did get to do overmaster into show. ultimately it wasn't impressive, the lotus petals felt needed for the red the openers became really clunky.

[Adan]

Does trickbind really merit a spot in the sideboard?

When you have access to trickbind you also have access to an attempted instant speed kill via firemind's
cunning wish, impulse, brainstorm,

if you find a copy of cunning wish or emrakul off impulse you can win.

Yes, and when you don't and lose your win-and-in, you will tilt and think "had I only added Trickbind into my 75!"

It's a statistical issue, it will happen that Impulse/Brainstorm will crap out on you. When I go off, I want to win 100% against anything. I was grinding sideevents in Utrecht all day every day and one of my opponents (Junk Blade) boarded in Oblivion Rings. I wanted to Release the Ants him in response to the trigger, but noticed that he was gazing at my graveyard quite often, implying he had Surgical Extraction which can potentially mess up the Clash of Release the Ants, so I just went for Trickbind instead.

Let me clarify the question. What is the advantage of using cunning wish over burning wish in the new(er) dig through time builds? It's my understanding that the concensus was to use the mono blue version over the u/r, u/b, u/b/r versions as it helped make the deck, "wasteland proof"(despite its sol lands) however; the "mono blue" version now plays Volcanic Islands anyway.

By the end of the day it all boils down to being able to interact at instant-speed. The Burning-Wish-based builds that you describe act at sorcery-speed, making themselves vulnerable to any CiP trigger along the lines of Oblivion Ring, Clique, Venser, Ashen Rider, the list goes on and you have no way to interact with that other than BWish for Thoughtseize.

With such a build, you will most likely lose to any conventional OmniShow stock-list because when they fire off Show and Tell, you can't do anything during their turn whereas on your own turn, they can still Cunning Wish for counters, Wipe Away for your Omniscience or - in fringe cases - kill you in response to anything (assuming a sufficient amount of hits by RtA or that funny False Cure/Beacon of Immortality SB tech, but since I was talking about stock lists we'll leave that one away).

Furthermore Burning Wish is a resourceful card as is Cunning Wish, but compared to each other, Burning Wish can't access the probably most unfair card that makes OmniShow so good at the moment: Dig Through Time. I tend to side out one copy of Dig Through Time in matchups that I expect to be grindy, to squeeze even more value out of Cunning Wish, especially since postboard games usually go at a slower pace.

This has always been an issue, Burning Wish was never able to get you a proper cardadvantage spell to get back into the game after getting Duress'd and double Cabal Therapy'd.

The current lists are - to my feeling - the best ones to play grindy games and offer you the safest kills.

[Jandrosaurus]

Does trickbind really merit a spot in the sideboard?

When you have access to trickbind you also have access to an attempted instant speed kill via firemind's
cunning wish, impulse, brainstorm,

if you find a copy of cunning wish or emrakul off impulse you can win.

I was able to trickbind a Flickerwisp's ETB trigger after resolving a Show and Tell -> Omni vs D&T in GP Vegas. Felt real good and won me the match. It's so good.

[Ogh!]

Yes, and when you don't and lose your win-and-in, you will tilt and think "had I only added Trickbind into my 75!"

It's a statistical issue, it will happen that Impulse/Brainstorm will crap out on you. When I go off, I want to win 100% against anything. I was grinding sideevents in Utrecht all day every day and one of my opponents (Junk Blade) boarded in Oblivion Rings. I wanted to Release the Ants him in response to the trigger, but noticed that he was gazing at my graveyard quite often, implying he had Surgical Extraction which can potentially mess up the Clash of Release the Ants, so I just went for Trickbind instead.

You could've gone for RtA, no need to worry.

"If you win the clash, the spell moves from the stack to your hand as part of its resolution. It never hits the graveyard. If you don't win the clash, the spell is put into the graveyard from the stack as normal." Source: Gatherer RtA

Edit: Ah, I understand. You're right. The shuffle effect may cause problems.

[Adan]

I was able to trickbind a Flickerwisp's ETB trigger after resolving a Show and Tell -> Omni vs D&T in GP Vegas. Felt real good and won me the match. It's so good.

I don't think it makes much of a difference whether you trickbind Flickerwisp or just machine-gun him to death with RtA in response to the trigger. It does make a huge difference when there's a Thalia on board, though, this is certainly the situation where I want Trickbind in my 75.

You could've gone for RtA, no need to worry.

"If you win the clash, the spell moves from the stack to your hand as part of its resolution. It never hits the graveyard. If you don't win the clash, the spell is put into the graveyard from the stack as normal." Source: Gatherer RtA

Edit: Ah, I understand. You're right. The shuffle effect may cause problems.

Precisely.

[Jandrosaurus]

I don't think it makes much of a difference whether you trickbind Flickerwisp or just machine-gun him to death with RtA in response to the trigger. It does make a huge difference when there's a Thalia on board, though, this is certainly the situation where I want Trickbind in my 75.

I am running the older Enter the Infinite build, so countering the ETB was necessary at the time in order to resolve EtT. Because of this limitation, I'm going to be changing to a more streamlined list that ditches EtT and relies on Emrakul as the primary wincon and Ants as a secondary wincon (using Impulse/Brainstorm/Firemind's to manipulate the top of the deck for Ants).

[Julian23]

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[KobeBryan]

I see people running a REB and 1 blast.

Why not just use two blast. Blast can target and cast even if it doesn't work at the end. This can help fuel pyros.

I have never dealt with anyone naming REB/blast with meddling mage and cabal therapy unless they peaked at your hand and that is the only card they need to deal with.

[Julian23]

People peeking at your and casting Cabal Therapy happens pretty much all the time; especially now where the combination of those two cards is more common than anytime ever before.

However, I also agree that double Pyroblast might be the right call.

[Karhumies]

Went 3-1 in local FNM Legacy with the Ur build.

R1: vs D&T, win 2-1. Lost G1 to T2 Thalia followed up with Mystic + SoFI clock, getting Omni with no Thalia mana into the table was too slow. G2 he had randomly kept in some swords which hit my boarded in pyromancer, but I managed to kill his Thalias and go for it. G3 opponent had very bad draws. He did not see any sideboard cards in the whole match.
R2: vs Miracles, lose 0-2. I had never played against Miracles before with any deck. I was unfamiliar with what they are running in MD and played right into Pyroblast G1 and also I made some really terrible plays. G2 we did not have a lot of time, so I had to gamble everything in the extra turns and failed miserably by being Clique-locked out of my combo.
R3: vs Reanimator, win 2-1. I probed him a lot, and he thoughtseized me a lot. I was much better at Brainstorming in response to setup combo and leave blue cards for FoW than he was. G2 loss was due to turn 2 Iona on blue from the play (T2 Careful Study -> I let it resolve because it's not Entomb but he nevertheless blindly hits Iona, Lotus Petal, Reanimate, I Spell Pierce, he plays second Lotus Petal, second Reanimate).
R4: vs Storm, win 2-0. Both wins with turn 3 SnT->Emrakul. G2 opponent had mulled to 5.

Play of the day:
Reanimator MU, game 3, turn 3(?) (opponent on draw)

Opponent Thoughtseizes me. I have 1 mana available. I know he has Griselbrand + Exhume + Reanimate in hand, but no discard outlet due to Probing him earlier so Thoughtseize is his topdeck.

In my hand:
Show and Tell
Omniscience (Pondered into hand but ran out of mana to cast SnT)
Gitaxian Probe
Brainstorm
C.Wish

I respond Brainstorm -> draw Island, Spell Pierce, Dig Through Time. Setup top of library: Omni + SnT. I let Seize resolve, opponent takes out Dig (I had enough Delve to resolve it). My turn. Draw SnT. Island. Probe with life to see the Griselbrand + Exhume + Reanimate. Draw Omni. Cast SnT, opponent has no choice but to let it resolve. I put Omni, he puts Griselbrand. I attempt to C.Wish (I have only 1 card in hand), opponent responds with Draw 7 and goes to 9 life. Opponent attempts to FoW and goes to 8 life. I cast my last card which is Spell Pierce (opponent has only 1 mana open). Opponent responds with draw 7. I notify him that he is now at 1 life. He has a FoW but can not do it. C.Wish resolves. I take Sudden Shock and win with it thanks to my opponent dealing 19 to himself (2 fetchlands + Seize + FoW + double Griselbrand activation).

[Windmill]

Hey guys, why is everyone suddenly splashing red for Young Pyromancer of all things?

[Poron]

because Meddling Mage on SNT is pretty much devastating without REBs and YP

[spirit of the wretch]

Because honestly I think I win more post-board games off the pyromage than the Combo. He is really that good.

[kuroko16]

Because honestly I think I win more post-board games off the pyromage than the Combo. He is really that good.

exactly

Youg is amazing against mirror and miracles.

and with red splash we have L. Bolt Reb Pyroblast and hrough the breach to reset the board.




i honestly love Red splash but last tournament 2 wasteland against my vulcanic cost me Top 8 :( i prefer they wasteland my boseju that volcanis island

[Varal]

Red Splash is good but the Volcanic Island are almost unplayable against Lands, RUG Delver and Death & Taxes.

[Julian23]

Am I the only one who's always felt like the Storm matchup was kinda shaky?

[Sloshthedark]

Am I the only one who's always felt like the Storm matchup was kinda shaky?

It should be imo, I consider Storm slightly favoured due to speed, discard being better interaction vs. combo than counters and no meaningful SB on Omnitell side, once it gets to lategame Dig pulls it's weight and makes things more complicated

[KobeBryan]

exactly

Youg is amazing against mirror and miracles.

and with red splash we have L. Bolt Reb Pyroblast and hrough the breach to reset the board.




i honestly love Red splash but last tournament 2 wasteland against my vulcanic cost me Top 8 :( i prefer they wasteland my boseju that volcanis island

You just can't fetch as you please. Against mirror and miracles yes you can and that's when you want you want red the most

In decks with wasteland. You really need islands only. Except in a counter war with rug that's when you fetch it. In that occasion you only need 1 red on that comboing turn

[Cave]

When playing UB, I recommend packing one swamp in order to be sure to be able to cast massacre against Death and Taxes.
Other than that, splashing this deck has the sole purpose of solving bad matchups. If your splash is not helping you in the matchup, then it's not worth doing.
You don't solve canadian with reb effetcs (well, they help); if you are worried about canadian wastelands, you just overload them with low-cost threats (pyromancer/grid) in G2 and it's pretty much about it.