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[Lemnear]

I'm waiting for some fuck up like this

Treasure Safari
Sorcery
U
Draw a card
Spell Mastery Draw a card

or a Duress with spellmaster for cantripping xD

[Fatal]

Little fixed Brainstorm:

U - Sorcery
Draw 3 cards, then put 3 cards on top of library in any order.

Spell Mastery - Draw 3 cards, then put 2 cards on top of library in any order instead.

Without Spell Mastery active it's card disadvantage, also big change - sorcery speed.

[bruizar]

Little fixed Brainstorm:

U - Sorcery
Draw 3 cards, then put 3 cards on top of library in any order.

Spell Mastery - Draw 3 cards, then put 2 cards on top of library in any order instead.

Without Spell Mastery active it's card disadvantage, also big change - sorcery speed.

I think the proper fix is to reverse it.

Brainmelt:

U - Sorcery
Draw 3 cards, then put 2 cards on top of library in any order.

Spell Mastery - Draw 3 cards, then put 3 cards on top of library in any order instead.

Now, blue decks should actively get rid of their graveyards to enjoy the cantripping effects of brainstorm. Brainstorm is particularly good late game, when graveyards are full. Casting this card early will (1) be a waste of Brainstorm and (2) fill the graveyard which would probably enable Spell Mastery the next time you try to play a copy of Brainmelt.

This would make Relic of Progenitus, Delve cards, Deathrite Shaman and Rest in Peace much more interesting.

[Lemnear]

This would make Relic of Progenitus, Deathrite Shaman and Rest in Peace much more interesting.

Do we see any increase of these counterstrategies to yard-shenanigans with DTT in 55%+ of Legecy decks? No, we do not. Draw your conclusion

[bruizar]

Do we see any increase of these counterstrategies to yard-shenanigans with DTT in 55%+ of Legecy decks? No, we do not. Draw your conclusion

Comprehension is key. I was not referring to using counterstrategies. I was referring to strategically using Relic of Progenitus on yourself or delving away instants and sorceries with Dig Through Time to enable a follow up Brainmelt (Lots of tension between Dig Through Time and Brainmelt as DTT fixes, but also requires a big graveyard). That's mostly unexplored, yet interesting design space.

The requirement to enable Spell Mastery is a joke and should be a drawback instead of a bonus effect.

[Lemnear]

Comprehension is key. I was not referring to using counterstrategies. I was referring to strategically using Relic of Progenitus on yourself or delving away instants and sorceries with Dig Through Time to enable a follow up Brainmelt (Lots of tension between Dig Through Time and Brainmelt as DTT fixes, but also requires a big graveyard). That's mostly unexplored, yet interesting design space.

You have a point. My bad for misinterpreting here. I however am not the biggest fan of cards that reward you for running DTT at this point

[Barook]

That's mostly unexplored, yet interesting design space.

The requirement to enable Spell Mastery is a joke and should be a drawback instead of a bonus effect.

I was about to say that, too. But in the end, it leads "bad" gameplay since you feel bad for being punished by the Spell Mastery drawback - or whatever similiar bullshit Maro would spout out.

Powerful effects that get weaker with Spell Mastery would be an interesting design space, but considering it's called Spell Mastery instead of Spell Backfire, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

[bruizar]

Oh I'm absolutely sure they will manage to fuck up this mechanic. I just hope the cards I speculate on won't be banned this time, like with Treasure Cruise.

[Lemnear]

Oh I'm absolutely sure they will manage to fuck up this mechanic. I just hope the cards I speculate on won't be banned this time, like with Treasure Cruise.

I doubt that. The mechanic is simply too obvious to strap on anything that is nearly Legacy playable. Not even a monkey would come up with the idea to print reasonable card- or mana-advantage cards with this keyword.

[bruizar]

Valid point; although remember Bonfire of the Damned? That card started off really low too.

If they manage to not fuck up Spell Mastery, it's going to be another card. You can't stop the continuation of core sets with a terrible set. This set is so obviously a take on where it all began, and where it began was with the biggest misjudgments in terms of power level ever. I'm telling you I have my wallet ready to speculate because broken cards are coming.

[Tylert]

Valid point; although remember Bonfire of the Damned? That card started off really low too.

If they manage to not fuck up Spell Mastery, it's going to be another card. You can't stop the continuation of core sets with a terrible set. This set is so obviously a take on where it all began, and where it began was with the biggest misjudgments in terms of power level ever. I'm telling you I have my wallet ready to speculate because broken cards are coming.

It really depends on the cost of the card.
I can't see the blaze, but if it's a fireball like card, it's probably not broken if the cost is RX or RRX.
I really hope they put some cost according to the fact that the spell can be better under some conditions...
If it's not the case, we may indeed have new broken cards for eternal formats (Legacy / vintage at least).

[MGB]

I'm waiting for some fuck up like this

Treasure Safari
Sorcery
U
Draw a card
Spell Mastery Draw a card

I think it will be some broken blue creature with Spell Mastery a la Snapcaster Mage of the new set:


Spellmaster Sage
Creature - Wizard
2U

Flash
When Spellmaster Sage enters the battlefield, target instant or sorcery in your graveyard gains flashback until end of turn.

Spell Mastery - If there are two or more instants or sorcery cards in your graveyard deals, all instant and sorcery cards in your graveyard gain flashback until end of turn.

2/1

[sjmcc13]

I doubt that. The mechanic is simply too obvious to strap on anything that is nearly Legacy playable. Not even a monkey would come up with the idea to print reasonable card- or mana-advantage cards with this keyword.

So was delve and they made Treasure Cruise, which was so obviously a problem card that only way to not see it was to have 0 understanding of any of the non-rotating formats other then EDH. wizards track record with "accidentally" making cards that are broken in Legac/modern and then scapegoating their imcompotence with "We only test Limited and Standard" is horrible.

The requirement to enable Spell Mastery is a joke and should be a drawback instead of a bonus effect.

It is not a joke if you are playing in a format where you desk is likely to be at most 20% non-land, non-creature cards, which is common for Draft, non-control Std decks. and those are the only formats wizards "tests"

[iamajellydonut]

It's sometimes tough to read tones on here. Is that Spellmaster Sage supposed to be a joke?

[Lemnear]

So was delve and they made Treasure Cruise, which was so obviously a problem card that only way to not see it was to have 0 understanding of any of the non-rotating formats other then EDH.

This is funny as I remeber a lot of members of this forum calling TC and DTT bad and also not understanding the potential of the card either and if Legacy enthusiasts manage to misjudge cards like those or call "DRS bad because it is conditional manaacceleration and Noble Hierarch is strickly better because of Exalted". How can you be mad at MaRo and his morrons after looking at that?

[Finn]

This is funny as I remeber a lot of members of this forum calling TC and DTT bad and also not understanding the potential of the card either and if Legacy enthusiasts manage to misjudge cards like those or call "DRS bad because it is conditional manaacceleration and Noble Hierarch is strickly better because of Exalted". How can you be mad at MaRo and his morrons after looking at that?

I have to agree with Lemnear here. I clearly remember the thread mocking Carsten for proposing that Cruise was even playable. Also, it was only a few sets before that when players complained that all of the mechanics were creature-centric.

There is just no satisfaction to be had, Me. Jagger.

[Dice_Box]

Because it is there job, they are paid to get this right. Not too many of the Legacy crowd get paid to either a) Develop Magic or b) Spend day in, day out testing it. Sure they can overlook shit, but why should they be held to a higher standard than us? Because it's them printing the fucking cards.

[iamajellydonut]

I have to agree with Lemnear here. I clearly remember the thread mocking Carsten for proposing that Cruise was even playable. Also, it was only a few sets before that when players complained that all of the mechanics were creature-centric.

Another ridiculer of Carsten's article here (still willing to call him out for a severe case of "smug"). But while I did underestimate the amount of people who would flock to UR Delver, I still don't feel like Dig Through Time has achieved anything beyond what was initially called.

[MGB]

It's sometimes tough to read tones on here. Is that Spellmaster Sage supposed to be a joke?

Doesn't it just look like something they'd print?

[Lemnear]

Another ridiculer of Carsten's article here (still willing to call him out for a severe case of "smug"). But while I did underestimate the amount of people who would flock to UR Delver, I still don't feel like Dig Through Time has achieved anything beyond what was initially called.

I suspected it reshaping OmniTell and the S&T supertype and it did just that after I was laughed at. That it slipped into Delver and shit was only a logic step after TCs ban and displayed potential