[Primer/Deck] Pox

[Hardcore]

A pre-order listing on ebay ask 60$
for a set...

[Hardcore]

Goblingoblin warrens, lingering souls, entreat the angels...

[Charon666]

Hardcore:
I don't mean to be rude, but could you please stop posting one rant after another?
We all got your point, I guess. Spamming the Pox thread will get you nowhere.

[Hardcore]

well, it is a card that will change the meta more than anything have for a long time. It well be a boost for midrange decks, and maybe indirectly for pox?

[OmniStrata]

The only thing that'll ever help Pox indirectly is if a card pushes tempo decks to the forefront.

Our best thing to see is a turn one creature and nothing else. Threshold and other tempo style decks come to mind. Pox won't be able to devour the meta unless we end up with more players wanting to play using a minimalist style of one threat, low land count, and a few cards in hand (taking advantage of brainstorms to filter, not REAL card advantage).

For me, being greedy as I am, i want to see a 4 or less cmc permanent, either enchantment or artifact that goes along the lines of "when this on the field, players can't generate mana".

Ah, the pinnacle of land destruction! I've always loved the mechanic. It allowed me to tick people off and helped me filter the champs from the chumps... "Land kill is so stupid/cheap". I'm not a fan of playing with people who have made up rules as if it's their game. Like fighting video games where "throws are cheap" etc.

Ah, Worms of the Earth would be Godly if it was BBBBB and you couldn't pay life lolz.

The other thing that could push Pox further would be a better Liliana, but how would they do that I wonder.

[PirateKing]

A reprint or similarly costed re-imagining of Chains, Abyss, Nether Void and Tabernacle would also assist us, as I feel lots of Pox players reach that ceiling and are unwilling to devote the capitol into narrow use cards like that.
Something like if you would draw a card other than the first on your draw step, instead you don't. Make it 2 or 3 mana, black or artifact, whatever.
Though we're talking about when MaRo dies or retires or Hasboro steps up and sees how much money they could make and rearranges WotC.

[glowparty]

A reprint or similarly costed re-imagining of Chains, Abyss, Nether Void and Tabernacle would also assist us, as I feel lots of Pox players reach that ceiling and are unwilling to devote the capitol into narrow use cards like that.
Something like if you would draw a card other than the first on your draw step, instead you don't. Make it 2 or 3 mana, black or artifact, whatever.
Though we're talking about when MaRo dies or retires or Hasboro steps up and sees how much money they could make and rearranges WotC.

its a lot worse against combo if it costs 3 mana, especially when they can still win with it out. chains of mephistopheles costs 2 mana and doesn't seem overpowered by any means. to print a card costing 3 in the vein of chains or spirit of the labyrinth, I don't see that as having an impact. i'm not sure how this variety of card could be worth a slot in my sideboard if its nature is to allow the blue mage to freely cantrip all through their turns 1-3.

maybe:

Chains of Purification
BB
enchantment

Cards can't be drawn by players except the first during his or her draw step.

Sacrifice Chains of Purification, pay 5 life: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.

[OmniStrata]

its a lot worse against combo if it costs 3 mana, especially when they can still win with it out. chains of mephistopheles costs 2 mana and doesn't seem overpowered by any means. to print a card costing 3 in the vein of chains or spirit of the labyrinth, I don't see that as having an impact. i'm not sure how this variety of card could be worth a slot in my sideboard if its nature is to allow the blue mage to freely cantrip all through their turns 1-3.

maybe:

Chains of Purification
BB
enchantment

Cards can't be drawn by players except the first during his or her draw step.

Sacrifice Chains of Purification, pay 5 life: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.

That would never fly. Black is 'by flavor design' unable to deal with artifacts and even less so with enchantments. Granted, there are a tiny few cards that could, but they require other mana. Or nastier color hosing.

[PirateKing]

Point is, the slice of black that Pox uses is all but abandoned in current card design. It'll take some serious shake ups at Wizards before anything potential useful gets printed.

[zenitramleirdag]

Point is, the slice of black that Pox uses is all but abandoned in current card design. It'll take some serious shake ups at Wizards before anything potential useful gets printed.

i agree with this..
R&D perceives land destruction as bad for the game as they think it promotes non-interactive gameplay and prevents the player on the other end from even participating in the game..
i'm just keeping my fingers crossed that someday in the future they'll give us a card that we can really use..
4 years ago, they gave us lili, and oh boy, was it helpful!!

[echofish]

The Pox community designed its own card some time ago. It was called Waste Not. What a waste...

[Macky984]

Here's my Pyro-Pox Brew... Seems decent

//Planeswalkers
3 Liliana of the Veil

//Creatures
4 Young Pyromancer
2 Bloodghast

//Spells
4 Smallpox
4 Sinkhole
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Thoughtseize
3 Cabal Therapy
3 Innocent Blood
1 Slaughter Games

//Other
3 Blood Moon
2 Crucible of Worlds

//Lands
8 Swamp
3 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
4 Wasteland

//Sideboard
SB: 3 Boil
SB: 2 Grafdigger's Cage
SB: 1 Virtue's Ruin
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Engineered Plague
SB: 2 Extirpate
SB: 1 Null Rod
SB: 1 Toxic Deluge
SB: 2 Slaughter Games

[OmniStrata]

The Pox community designed its own card some time ago. It was called Waste Not. What a waste...

I suppose the Pox community overlooked the fact that with Liliana out, smart opponents will purposely keep their hands empty in topdeck mode, not that they have a choice.

If I had a vote on the god darn card, I'd have it say more on the lines of, during your upkeep, if an opponent's hand is empty, "shit" happens. Make it BB casting cost. Or even better, on each opponent's upkeep, if their hand is empty, they sacrifice a permanent, then make it BBB

Like Skullcage, but Godly.

[Hardcore]

the new mulligan RULE will be a help.

[Chiptoon]

Has anyone thought about trying out something like Lux Cannon in the 75? Dark Ritual means it could come down as early as the second turn and it plays along with the resource denial plan of Pox.

[Hardcore]

even using DR it is turn five before you destroy any permanent, and turn nine to destroy a second one.

[zenitramleirdag]

i have to go with hardcore on this one, i think lux cannon doesn't have a place in legacy, it seems fun to use in EDH though..

for the same cost, i'd rather run serrated arrows, though i still won't..

[Hardcore]

lol, yeah, serrated arrows:-) That was long long time ago.

[zenitramleirdag]

lol, yeah, serrated arrows:-) That was long long time ago.

and so are most of the cards in our deck..

[OmniStrata]

the new mulligan RULE will be a help.

SCRY 1?!
Whoa. Me and my crew always scryed as we mulliganed just to see if it was worth it. Most of the time, we're like "bah, good thing I'm gonna mulligan" and we therefore shuffled. Now we get to scry for realz... 0_0.

Bye bye Schrodinger's cat!