[Primer] Elves!

[resum]

If lifegain would do anything, we would have played these two for years, but unlike you, I don't assume my opponents are all idiots pointing their Lightning Bolts and Forked Bolts to my face rather than at my board while attacking with Delver and friends.

to be fair, lifegain is awful but incidental lifegain is pretty good and selvala is pretty hard to remove for red decks and gives you both mana and cards. that being said, im not sure how good she is if you don't average at least 1.5 mana/life per tap since she's slow as molasses.

[Lemnear]

to be fair, lifegain is awful but incidental lifegain is pretty good and selvala is pretty hard to remove for red decks and gives you both mana and cards. that being said, im not sure how good she is if you don't average at least 1.5 mana/life per tap since she's slow as molasses.

Being slow is this builds Problem in general and there is a reason stuff like Wellwisher was never compeditively played and Priest of Titania was cut, but apparently this does not stop people to suggest that 2cc Elves with summoning sickness are a tool to fight combo with their tap-ability. It bears the same logic as running Chalice of the Void in a deck full with 1cc creatures hoping that you also magically draw one of your two Caverns in addition to not lock yourself out. I guess running Teeg/Thalia/Canonist as the primary angle to fight combo in GWB Elves was too easy to miss ;P

Was there any discussion on shaman of the pack? Seems good with symbiote for situations involving glacial chasm or moat maybe too situational but those two cards pushed me away from the deck after three losses to them in one open pre sage printing.

There was a few pages back. Please check the last 5 or so pages for recent topics potentially covered.

[Julian23]

Hey guys, just finished my GP Lille tournament report with lots of bonus content! Check it out! :-)

[Blastoderm]

Hey guys, just finished my GP Lille tournament report with lots of bonus content! Check it out! :-)

Thanks! Was looking forward to this..great read :)
So moving forward... is Elves still a wise choice (DTT wasn't banned)? Or will it fall off the map in the new meta? :(

[Lemnear]

Thanks! Was looking forward to this..great read :)
So moving forward... is Elves still a wise choice (DTT wasn't banned)? Or will it fall off the map in the new meta? :(

Meta is and stays DTT vs SDT vs Tendrils

[Julian23]

Elves hasn't been a "wise" choice for over a year now.

[Lemnear]

Elves hasn't been a "wise" choice for over a year know.

While we're at it: Is the talk you had with Kai followed up by some practically experience? ;)

[Blastoderm]

Meta is and stays DTT vs SDT vs Tendrils

Elves with 4 choke main? :P

[Lemnear]

Elves with 4 choke main? :P

Except Choke is crap against Miracles and Storm. You may want to talk with Matt Pavlic about MB Chokes in a tournament ;)

[Blastoderm]

Except Choke is crap against Miracles and Storm. You may want to talk with Matt Pavlic about MB Chokes in a tournament ;)

:( So what's the solution? I guess I'll be sticking with Storm in the meantime....

[Lemnear]

:( So what's the solution? I guess I'll be sticking with Storm in the meantime....

I talked about my take for Elves, but funny as you mention Storm: Julian just pondered about that one in Lille ;)

[LeoCop 90]

Crap against miracles seems an exaggeration. it's a fine card, but playing 4x is too much because it doesn't win the game on the spot and redundant copies are useless. Playing 2 maindeck copies could be an alright choice given that the probability of facing a non blue deck in competitive events is fading away

[danyul]

My personal solution has been playing GTA V and buying into Modern. WOTC's master plan seems to be working.

[LeoCop 90]

Well, playing modern has been my personal solution too. I don't want to invest in blue staples and at least in modern i can be competitive with burn, elves, and even goblins if i want. I hate modern, it's just that right now i hate legacy even more

[danyul]

I hate modern, it's just that right now i hate legacy even more

That's where I'm at too. If I didn't have friends in the local Legacy community, I probably wouldn't be going to events at all. I'm mostly there to hangout with people. The "playing Magic" part is just a distraction.

[Lord_of_Rivendell]

That's where I'm at too. If I didn't have friends in the local Legacy community, I probably wouldn't be going to events at all. I'm mostly there to hangout with people. The "playing Magic" part is just a distraction.

It's a sad, sad day.

[Krasman]

May as well share here as well.

Deck is painted now.

Main Deck

[Krasman]

*Maindeck on previous page

Somewhat current Sideboard




Extra Shit








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[Echelon]

So, I, uh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY

Yeah.

Your deck looks awesome man! Those Bayous, and the Sylvan Library OMG!

[Blastoderm]

It's a sad, sad day.

Oh come on guys! I'm sure there's a way we stay in the game...

Elves in it's current state:

- Natural Order is bad vs Miracles and sometimes decks with bolt/daze/pierce
- Natural Order is good against midrange / combo
- Glimpse is always value-town!
- Aggro plan is too slow vs combo without disruption
- Early disruption followed by DTT can wreck us

Lets review some cards that could give Elves a boost (these are maindeck suggestions)

- More Reclamation Sage as suggested by Lemnear to help vs miracles + buy some time vs omni + kill jittes and chalices more consistently without having to waste a tutor
- Sylvan Library (seems good vs Miracles and Omnitell... but what about everything else?) (Julian cut a NO for one in the main)
- Edric, Spymaster of Trest (maybe better off in sb)
- Sylvan Messenger (probably slow and bad but nuts with wirewood)
- Maindeck disruption (bad with glimpse)
- Fauna Shaman (tap abilities without haste suck but this is only if one doesn't want to run a complete 4 Sage -- vengevine wouldn't be included because that also sucks)

Before NO came along, the deck was too dependent on Glimpse. However in this metagame.. can it be cut? It feels like the main deck has to be tuned to either beat combo... or miracles.

Here's a list that stood out to me:
http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=17075&iddeck=128148

- 3 Discard in the main as well as Ruric Thar
- 3 Pyroblasts SB
- 2 Additional Reclamation Sages SB

Hopefully we can spark some more discussion. I'll be playing storm at my local this week but I'll be back to testing elves later this month.