The Cure (Kavu Predator / False Cure)

[fonzdizon]

Anyone try a more traditional list? Like:

4 Tainted Remedy
4 False Cure
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Xantid Swarm
2 Kavu Predator
4 Invigorate
4 Skyshroud Cutter
3 Summoner's Pact
4 Reverent Silence
4 Bayou
1 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Thoughtseize
3 Punishing Fire
2 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Deathrite Shaman
2 Windswept Heath
1 Taiga

SB: 3 Refreshing Rain
SB: 4 Duress
SB: 4 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Sylvan Safekeeper
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Xantid Swarm

A few questions:
1) How did the deck-list play out for you?
2) Did splashing red make life-gain effects more consistent?
3) Have you considered running pyro/red elemental blast in your sideboard?

[kinda]

A few questions:
1) How did the deck-list play out for you?
2) Did splashing red make life-gain effects more consistent?
3) Have you considered running pyro/red elemental blast in your sideboard?

Getting the 3-4 cards you need to one shot plus tainted remedy/false cure is tough. I added confidant back in to help with this. Not sure if he should stay, be more tops, or stronger life gain spells like rest for the weary. Grove of the burnwillows plus tainted remedy is a neat little combo but in practice I wanted the fires to be stronger cards. They still may end up warranting slots in 75 but I cut them for now and red along with it except for 2 burnwillows.

The tainted remedy/reverent silence/kavu predator nombo package is actually an issue. I cut 1 silence and added in uktabi drake plus groundbreaker as possible gsz or pact targets when remedy is out. These might be terrible but needing a better dude to tutor for when you have invigorate in hand plus remedy out turn 2 is something to consider. My sb is a mess...its basically just random cards right now.

Edit: -1 drake, +1 pact

4 Tainted Remedy
4 False Cure
2 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Xantid Swarm
2 Kavu Predator
4 Invigorate
4 Skyshroud Cutter
4 Summoner's Pact
3 Reverent Silence
4 Bayou
1 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Thoughtseize
1 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Windswept Heath
1 Groundbreaker
1 Swamp
3 Dark Confidant

SB: 2 Refreshing Rain
SB: 4 Duress
SB: 3 Abrupt Decay
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 3 krosan grip
SB: 1 Tarmogoyf

[fonzdizon]

Posting this here for critiques and any suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Lands/Mana sources:

(1) Dryad Arbor
(1) Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
(1) Swamp
(1) Forest
(2) Elvish Spirit Guide
(2) Overgrown Tomb
(2) Bayou
(4) Verdant Catacombs
(4) Windswept Heath
(4) Lotus Petal


Creatures:

(1) Sylvan Safekeeper
(3) Tarmogoyf
(4) Kavu Predator
(4) Skyshroud Cutter

Instant/Sorcery

(2) Hymm to Tourach
(2) Devour Flesh
(3) Thoughtseize
(3) Abrupt Decay
(4) False Cure
(4) Invigorate
(4) Green Sun's Zenith

Artifact/Enchantment

(2) Sylvan Library
(3) Chalice of the Void

Sideboard

(1) Vexing Shusher
(1) Reverent Silence
(1) Hymm to Tourach
(2) Scavenging Ooze
(2) Golgari Charm
(2) Toxic Deluge
(3) Pithing Needle
(3) Surgical Extraction

[maharis]

I've been noodling around with this a bit. Tried the VetEx/Primal Command idea, played 10 games against a stock U/R delver/pyro list and got deeeestroyyyed. Too bad as those cards are super fun. The one thing I didn't have that I wished I did was Academy Rector, though, which might have helped the resiliency.

As much as I want this to work in Junk, I have a BUG version built now. Basically BUG value midrange with the incidental combo. I am also playing a 2-2 split of Remedy and Cure. It's probably fine but just boring and not even close to the best cantrip deck.

Invigorate with the False Cure effects is so awesome though. I definitely think it's the best card. I wish Kavu Predator triggered with a Tainted Remedy in play, because I think Remedy is stronger than Cure.

[bizdoin]

I wish Kavu Predator triggered with a Tainted Remedy in play, because I think Remedy is stronger than Cure.

wizards sucks!! false cure in enchanment NOW.

[maharis]

Refined bug version, no remedy:

4 vetex
2 snapcaster
2 Kavu pred
1 eternal witness
1 skyshroud cutter
1 vendilion clique

4 brainstorm
4 cabal therapy
4 false cure
4 invigorate
2 dig thru time
2 ponder
2 primal command
1 refreshing rain
1 duress

3 verdant
3 delta
3 misty
2 usea
2 bayou
2 trop
2 forest
2 swamp
1 island
1 urborg tomb

Primal command see,s sweet, but gotta discard those dates/pierces out of the way. Considering different ramp package-- maybe Sakura tribe -- and counters over vetex/therapy.

[fonzdizon]

Does anyone share the opinion that the Chalice build of this deck would be more viable in the current meta right now? Considering the trend of more blue decks becoming more reliant of brainstorm and ponder?

[maharis]

First place at an IQ!

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[ironclad8690]

Holy crap awesome! The full power of Kavu Predator has been unleashed. Nothing can stop it, now is the winter of our discontent!

[twndomn]

Your time has come, buy your Skyshroud Cutters now.

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[Diogo37]

I did not know this deck, I'll start playing with it.

[Begle1]

I am so, so happy that Da Cure won a tournament.

Congratulations to an awesome niche deck.

[Holmen]

Tried this deck at a local tournament, went 3-1. The only change I made, except for fixing that awful sideboard, was adding a maindeck Gaddock. Gaddock + safekeeper took miracles apart. Next try I will cut maindeck Reverent, switch top for Library and switch out 2 of the deathrites for more explosive gsz-targets. Boarded in abrupt all games, 2 in main seems good.

[fonzdizon]

http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=20093&iddeck=153124

Another top 8!!!! Wubba lubba dub dub!!!!!!!

[fonzdizon]

Hello!? Is anybody out there!? My name is Robert Neville and if you're reading this you're not alone

Ok so in another desperate attempt to get this thread going, I would like to introduce a new concept that has been floating around the developmental thread: Eldritch Evolution

It has been discussed in the development thread, that this spell paired with Skyshroud Cutter may prove to be an effective combo. This could allow possibly open up an alternative win condition to Kavu and the unreliable plan of trying to Burn them out with Cure straight up.

After some discussion with my friend, I've found that Woodland Bellower may be the best creature we could use, this would allow us to tutor for Kavu while having a fatty to contend with.

Obviously this is a fragile combo that could easily be countered as well as changing the current deck-list (Cutting Bob is most likely considering the Cost) which has seen the most success but dammit I'm trying to make this deck work!!!!!

[ESG]

It has been discussed in the development thread, that this spell paired with Skyshroud Cutter may prove to be an effective combo. This could allow possibly open up an alternative win condition to Kavu and the unreliable plan of trying to Burn them out with Cure straight up.

After some discussion with my friend, I've found that Woodland Bellower may be the best creature we could use, this would allow us to tutor for Kavu while having a fatty to contend with.

Obviously this is a fragile combo that could easily be countered as well as changing the current deck-list (Cutting Bob is most likely considering the Cost) which has seen the most success but dammit I'm trying to make this deck work!!!!!

Right. That was my suggestion based on testing Eldritch Evolution in various decks. The Cure already plays Skyshroud Cutter as part of its Plan A, so it's a natural fit. You'll want to max out your Deathrite Shamans/mana elves to be able to play Evolution on Turn 2. The other nice element is that if you have a mana elf, you can sac it to Evolution to put Kavu Predator into play.

The best card to tutor up for an alternate win condition would probably be Grave Titan. Bob was already an awkward card in this deck due to the high average CMC, so that's probably the correct cut. Woodland Bellower is nice tech, fetching up the Predator and also being a beefy threat on its own. Personally, I don't think I could ever play a deck with this many potentially dead cards without playing Brainstorm to smooth things out, but I like the direction things are going.

[adrieng]

I am right now testing an eldritch kavu deck.
I think magus of the moon is very apporpriate in this deck.
Was testing against miracle and it has some issue that's why I am playing never more for terminus mainly.
Deck looks ok. But I need more testing. Nvemore is better than sanctum prelate because it can't be hit by sword.


4 Wooded Foothills
4 Windswept Heath
3 Savannah
1 Taiga
4 Forest
3 Plains

4 Kavu Predator
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Eldritch Evolution
4 Skyshroud Cutter
4 Mother of Runes

4 Nevermore
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Woodland Bellower
1 Magus of the Moon

4 Birds of Paradise
2 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Sylvan Library

SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 2 Qasali Pridemage
SB: 2 Null Rod
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 2 Magus of the Moon
SB: 4 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Pithing Needle



The previous version still had some issues against miracle.

I am testing that stuff right now and it is better :



5 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Savannah
4 Taiga
1 Dryad Arbor

4 Kavu Predator
4 Skyshroud Cutter
3 Reverent Silence

4 Eldritch Evolution
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Titania, Protector of Argoth
2 Gaddock Teeg
2 Woodland Bellower

4 Orcish Lumberjack
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Pyroblast

1 Eternal Witness
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Magus of the Moon

SB: 4 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 3 Pithing Needle
SB: 4 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Inferno Titan
SB: 2 Magus of the Moon
SB: 1 Ethersworn Canonist


Not good enough from testing

[Bruno]

im trying this list. sometimes the combo camein first turn:


Creatures (17)
4 Death's Shadow
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Kavu Predator
4 Skyshroud Cutter
1 Sylvan Safekeeper

Lands (20)
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Forest
4 Marsh Flats
4 Overgrown Tomb
2 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath

Other Spells (23)
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Dark Ritual
4 False Cure
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Invigorate
4 Reverent Silence
1 Sensei's Divining Top


Im using shocklands to pump death's shadow

[kinda]

im trying this list. sometimes the combo camein first turn:


Creatures (17)
4 Death's Shadow
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Kavu Predator
4 Skyshroud Cutter
1 Sylvan Safekeeper

Lands (20)
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Forest
4 Marsh Flats
4 Overgrown Tomb
2 Swamp
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Windswept Heath

Other Spells (23)
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Dark Ritual
4 False Cure
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Invigorate
4 Reverent Silence
1 Sensei's Divining Top


Im using shocklands to pump death's shadow

Why death's shadow? It feels out of place.

[Bruno]

Why death's shadow? It feels out of place.

i dont have the 4 bayou. So im trying with shocklands. Deaths shadow make the life loss a weapon.