The problem is that everything you gave as a reason for them not supporting Legacy is a reason for them to not support Modern, and they've been supporting that (if not as much as some Modern players would like). In fact, from what I've heard, they actually really want there to be a format for Standard players to swap over to when they lose interest with Standard, as usually happens after a while. After all, that player who sticks around to play another format is a person who's still playing Magic and thus is more likely to possibly return to Standard at some point.Originally Posted by MGB
No, the reason is, was, and always will be the Reserved List. The higher-ups have apparently decreed it's here to stay, so that instantly put a real crimp on Legacy that's really starting to show right now. Modern doesn't have the problem of the Reserved List, so it doesn't have the issue of its growth being limited (their annoying lack of reprints is a bit of a limiting factor, but that's still not as problematic as the Reserved List).
And really I don't think there's been that annoying of a lack of reprints, same as many others. I see so many complaints when there's a new Modern Masters set and they didn't put something like Blood Moon in it so everyone freaks out. Well they did put a crapton of other stuff in there, like Bitterblossom, bob, Elesh Norn, Emrakul, Iona, Karn, Kiki-Jiki, Kozilek, Mox Opal, Prime Time, Tarmogoyf, Ulamog, Vendilion Clique, Cryptic Command, Noble Hierarch, and the list goes on. That's just in the most recent printing of modern masters as well.
Yeah it sucks that Blood Moon spiked in price because of the lack of being printed, but there were SO MANY CARDS that are highly sought after that they did reprint. They're bound to miss a few in each print cycle, and people don't need to freak out about it. Damnation shouldn't be a 50 dollar card, but at least Noble Hierarch, who is used in way more decks, is still under 40.
The fact that they're not willing to completely nuke the market with reprints while still increasing the number of cards out there is really promising for the format. That's just not the case for Legacy and shelling out $250+ is ridiculous to ask of people for a single dual land.
LOL our local Legacy weekly just had 48 players and three video coordinators. On a fucking non-holiday Monday night.
Seattle right? Where else could this happen...
Correct
No comment in particular about the future of Legacy here, but you can enjoy your bike just fine on your own. Your Legacy deck? Not really enjoyable without other people to play with.
Death to the Reserved List. Long live Legacy.
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Goldfishing TinFins or High Tide can be pretty fun without other people. It can be especially fun without some guy huffing and puffing across the table. Lol
Legacy: Rituals
Vintage: Drains
As someone who's been registered on here since before Portal was legal in Legacy, I've seen the format go from people barely playing it, to the Legacy boom, to SCG Opens, to $100 Seas killing Legacy, to $200 Seas killing Legacy, and finally to $300 Seas killing Legacy.
Legacy won't ever 'die'. I mean, people still play Vintage ffs. But the boom is over, and very soon Legacy will be to most players what Vintage is right now. A relic, an old format full of broken and expensive stuff.
That said, it will also get cheaper. Underground Seas are closing for under $200 on eBay. Its been years since they've hit that price. Stuff from AN/AQ and Legends probably won't fall much. Then again, I know of people hoarding Tabernacles, so if they decide to sell, there's no telling what the market will do.
Finally, Wizards disappointed me greatly in 2010 with the qhole Reserved List clusterfuck. It was the right choice for them, in hindsight, but that was what put an expiration date on the format. Modern just was the nail in the coffin.
Speaking of Modern, Legacy was created when there were 11 years worth of Magic sets. Modern now has 12 years of Magic sets...
Gentlemen, it's been an honor and a pleasure. I'm sure we'll see each other in small tournaments in Vancouver or Seattle, where we'll reminisce about the good old days of Legacy.
@ Mr. C - I don't mean to be an alarmist or whatever, but I'm basically in the same place. The format isn't as interesting anymore and I've found myself almost resenting my Legacy stuff since it's just a bunch of money sitting in a box doing nothing. And even when I bust it out to battle, things just aren't as fun anymore. I'll probably sell out after GP Seattle and go about life as a true muggle. It couldn't be that bad, right?
Edit: does my reading comprehension suck right now? Maybe you weren't even being a Debbie Downer like me. Oh well. I like the youtube clip.
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Selling out a collection is a hazardous endeavor. We have all heard the stories of people selling only to buy back in again some time later. It might be months or years, but it happens a lot.
I don't think the situation warrants such drastic action. Look at Vintage. That's absolutely the worst that could possibly happen, and there's no way things will ever get that bad because there are so many more copies of the necessary cards in circulation already.
The format might not even shrink in the near-term. I'm in the middle of a visit back to the US, and I played down at the LGS last week. They had way more people there than they used to when I lived around here about 1-2 years ago, up to 26 from an average of 10-15. It's an awesome time to be playing, but perhaps that's because I've long since stopped worrying and learned to love the blue.
I sold the bulk of my collection a year or so ago already. This would just be the final blow. And it's not due to one or two little problems with the format. I think I'm just tired of Magic right now. I should see a therapist instead of posting on internet forums, huh?
I don't play blue so that probably explains everything.
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The thing is though, reprinting staples doesn't actually lower the cost of the format. As the reprinted cards go down, the staples that weren't reprinted spike in value, and generally keep the majority of that boost.
SaffronOlive at MTGGoldfish wrote a great article on this about a month ago: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/...six-months-ago
Soon enough you'll have a small army of Legacy players ready to storm Renton and demand some change!
Honestly, it's an anomaly Legacy was able to reach the size it did.
Legacy and Vintage shouldn't be large formats due to the availability of cards and the particular taste one has to have to want to play it.
We should be lucky (or unlucky) that Legacy ever got this big in the first place. I've always been expecting it to settle back down to the original levels.
I don't post much, but I've been a source lurker for quite some time and I remember the days when Legacy was very small and we all secretly knew it was the better format and were in a way happy it wasn't "mainstream".
At this point I don't care what happens to Legacy in terms of SCG opens and GP. I don't need large tournaments to enjoy the game (then again, I'm also enjoying the fruitful scene we have here in Seattle so...)
But will you be saying this a year from now?
Legacy could never reach the same level of Standard/Modern due to availability issues obviously... I don't see any reason to believe the format will "die" though... Its an incredibly fun format with a diverse number of decks. Hell... Aggro Loam just put multiple copies in the top of a GP... who saw that coming...
WOTC has no real reason to reduce support of the format any further... tossing us a bone of 1 -2 GPs a year is all they need to do to not piss off people... so I doubt that will change.
If SCG reduces support any more.... (it is still played every weekend in some capacity) that will probably reduce card prices by decreasing demand... If the demand ever dipped to where prices were really low... some other retailer or SCG again would be incentivized to increase support of the format to respike the prices of the cards...
I think the format is settling in to its post boom role. It will never be a premiere format... but if your like me and want a format that you can play competitively a half dozen weekends a year and then play with your friends 1-2 times a week without risk of huge card price devaluations.... well legacy is that format, and I doubt that will ever change in the foreseeable future.
Negators always have the shrillest voices. The silent majority are playing, not posting, and basking in Legacy love. Lot of scenes, not just Seattle, growing or thriving. FACT
I'm very tempted to agree as this is also my "gut-feeling".
However, I'd be interested in an objective indicator of Legacy's popularity to examine the validity of this stated "FACT". The best objective indicator I can come up with is price development of Legacy(/Vintage)-only cards. Unfortunately, I'm not in the mood to conduct such an analysis but if I had to guess, I'd say that on average prices have been rising by a significant margin in every year since the format's inception.
I have no comment about the future of legacy because i have no legacy past. And I’m guessing that's a common sentiment shared by new players on the subject. We didn't see the "glory days" etc etc and because of that we are not burdened by the future of legacy. Maybe if we'll play the format for a decade we will eventually get very grumpy and aggravated with it and just sell out, like many of you are doing now.
I can go to a couple of small tournaments yearly in my vicinity and one bigger event reasonably close. That’s more than enough for me as I’m quite busy with work and other stuff – you know how things start to turn after 30… So basically my magic time is precious as there is very little of it. I’ll rather use that time to play a true eternal format than playing against justin bieber type fellas popping up in lesser formats. besides that I like jamming my dual lands into any causal deck for the local kitchen tables…
There has always been grumpy players in Legacy, and there always will be. The format is just fine, but it is getting increasingly difficult to attract new Legacy players like you, because of the increasingly high prices on format staples, caused by speculation, which is a direct result of the reserved list promise to never reprint the cards on the list.
The problem some people on this thread seem to be having is called burn out. Give it 6 months, you'll feel the itch again.
Having said that I think the metagame is fucking stale and boring. People tune out. Also having weekly SCG coverage was something keeping people tuned in, so not having that is also a minor factor. Prices have been higher than this so I don't think that's a factor. There is an overall sense that Legacy is declining because people feel bored and fed up with the format. It's just that boring.
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