[Deck] Goblins

[GoboLord]

Magus of the Moon or Blood Moon?

i can't decide which is better to play in the board.

Any advice?

That depends on your decklist and which Kind of decks you want to use Them against.
Could describe both?

[KZhang]

That depends on your decklist and which Kind of decks you want to use Them against.
Could describe both?

To be honest, i'm not sure. Still very new to the deck. My current decklist:

4x Goblin Lackey
4x Goblin Matron
4x Goblin Ringleader
3x Goblin Warchief
3x Gempalm Incinerator
1x Goblin Piledriver
2x Mogg War Marshal
1x Goblin Chieftain
1x Goblin Sharpshooter
2x Goblin Rabblemaster
1x Krenko, Mob Boss
1x Tuktuk Scrapper
1x Earwig Squad

Spells (10)

3x Cabal Therapy
3x Tarfire
4x AEther Vial

Lands (22)

3x Badlands
3x Mountain
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Cavern of Souls
4x Rishadan Port
4x Wasteland

Sideboard (15)
1x Cabal Therapy
3x Surgical Extraction
1x Stingscourger
3x Magus of the Moon
4x Trinisphere
3x Pyrokinesis[/HTML]

[jrw1985]

@KZhang: I've split Moon and Magus and found that a resolved Magus dies pretty easily to Bolt/Punishing Fire. I think Moon is generally a stronger card because there are such fewer Outs to it for your opponent.

[jrw1985]

Here's the current Decks to Beat list. What are the best Goblin cards in each match up? I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of cards that can really swing a MU, so please let me know what cards you find essential to win these games.

OmniTell
Lackey, Piledriver

Miracle Control
Earwig Squad (extremely powerful) , Sharpshooter, Legion Loyalist, Stingscourger (very good against Monastery Mentor and Angel tokens)


Grixis Control (TCDecks: Grixis Pyromancer)
Sharpshooter, Legion Loyalist, Tarfire, Stingscourger


Blade Control
Tuktuk, Tin Street, Tarfire


Canadian Thresh (TCDecks: Threshold UGr)
Mogg War Marshal


Death and Taxes
Tuktuk, Tin Street, Sharpshooter, Gempalm, Tarfire


Team America
Krenko, Warren Weirding (our only answer to TNN)


U/G Infect (TCDecks: Berserk Stompy)
Sharpshooter, Tarfire, Gempalm, Mogg War Marshal


Here's a little list I just threw together that I think incorporates most of these

Core-

4 Lackey
4 Vial
4 Piledriver
4 Warchief
4 Matron
4 Ringleader

Flex-

2 Gempalm
2 Tarfire
2 Mogg War Marshal
1 Sharpshooter
1 Krenko
1 Earwig
1 Skirk Prosector
1 Legion Loyalist
1 Warren Weirding
1 Tuktuk Scrapper
1 Stingscourger

Lands-

3 Waste
2 Port
4 Cavern
4 Badlands
4 Auntie's Hovel
4 Sulfurous Springs
1 Mountain

I clearly auto-lose to PoP, but I'm not feeding the Deathrites. I think I'll sleeve up a pile like this for the next outing and just hope to dodge burn.

[kinda]

I would add instigator, earwig, and chrome Mox to Omni list. Add earwig and sgc for grixis control. Wierding is good vs Canadian. War Marshall is mediocre at best vs Canadian and infect. Plus it's terrible vs everything else.

[L10]

Goblin Rabblemaster is great against the Miracles and unfair decks, like OmniTell, because he puts out such an insane clock usually without opposition.

I don't like Tuktuk Scrapper against Death and Taxes because of the high CMC. In fact, Tuktuk Scrapper is just trash. I would not use it as a silver bullet even if I go mono-red. The only interaction I like Tuktuk Scrapper is with Kiki-Jiki in the WInstigator builds.

[Paul7926]

Going to the first Legacy event locally tomorrow. Taking this pile of 'not quite Legacy' cards so whish me luck...

Maindeck

4 Goblin Lackey
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Mogg War Marshal
3 Gempalm Incinerator
3 Goblin Ringleader
2 Goblin Chieftain
1 Goblin Rabblemaster
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
1 Krenko, Mob Boss
1 Warren Instigator
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Stingscourger
4 Aether Vial
1 Pyrokinesis
7 Mountain
2 Cavern of Souls
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Blood Crypt
2 Sacred Foundry
2 Stomping Ground


Sideboard

2 Ancient Grudge
2 apostle's Blessing
1 Rule of Law
1 Kataki, War's Wage
2 Dismember
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Earwig Squad
1 Pithing Needle
2 Ashen Rider
2 Chalice of the Void


Yeah I know but it's all I could scrape together in time! :)

[jrw1985]

4 Color Gobins! I love it. Your list looks pretty good. Best of luck!

[Paul7926]

4 Color Gobins! I love it. Your list looks pretty good. Best of luck!

As it's my first attempt at Legacy I'm sure my lack of knowledge will be a larger factor than the lack of a 'real' Legacy goblin deck.

[ScatmanX]

Paul, if you don't have time to change anything else, at least use only 1 sacred foundry and 1 blood crypt, putting 2 more Mountains there.
You definitely need to change some sb cards , and think more about the md, but apart from running only 3 ringleaders - you really want 4 - you can get away with most of it.
Good luck

[Paul7926]

Paul, if you don't have time to change anything else, at least use only 1 sacred foundry and 1 blood crypt, putting 2 more Mountains there.
You definitely need to change some sb cards , and think more about the md, but apart from running only 3 ringleaders - you really want 4 - you can get away with most of it.
Good luck

I can swap the land but the rest of the cards are the best I own no matter how bad they may be. The idea was to build slowly but the guys are wanting to start trying Legacy tournaments so I would rather support that and play with a pile than not go and it die from lack of people. Thanks for the advice.

[kinda]

I can swap the land but the rest of the cards are the best I own no matter how bad they may be. The idea was to build slowly but the guys are wanting to start trying Legacy tournaments so I would rather support that and play with a pile than not go and it die from lack of people. Thanks for the advice.

I agree with scatmanx. Try and see if your shop/friends have 1 ringleader. It's a $2 card and getting 4 of those is a priority.

[Paul7926]

I agree with scatmanx. Try and see if your shop/friends have 1 ringleader. It's a $2 card and getting 4 of those is a priority.

I have tried, been around everyone locally for the last Ringleader and either a scrapper or hooligan. I only received the last Lackey in the mail this morning! As there is no real Legacy scene here and all the guys are way younger than me they just don't have them. In the end I want to play mono red and not splash 3 other colours! (maybe one but not three!)

You can tell from the spelling I'm in the UK. :) Even the postal trader I use is all out of artifact hate goblins. :(

Could kick myself as I was at GP London recently and I'm sure I could have got them there but didn't know about this local event tomorrow at the time.

To be fair I'm just looking forward to playing whatever the result. Those md goblins and 2 more cavern are the priority, then wastelands and sort out the sb. Just gonna take a little time.

[Stevestamopz]

Maybe Dan Paskins can help you out?

Good luck!

[ScatmanX]

@Paul
I live in London. If you ever come to a tournament here I can lend you pretty much any goblin card there is. If you want send me a PM and I'll send you my details.

[Paul7926]

Well, we managed to get 12 people to turn up so it went 4 rounds then cut to top 4. I actually think that for the first ever attempt at Legacy that's pretty good.

As I suspected my lack of experience of the format and my own deck contributed to a less than brilliant result. I did have a lot of fun and we hope to make this a fortnightly thing.

Round 1 v Jeskai Stoneblade
1-1 draw in turns on game 3

Round 2 v Temur Delver
0-2 Loss

Round 3 v High Tide
0-2 Loss

Round 4 v Bye (someone dropped and I ended up getting the free win)

Highlight of the day was watching Jeskai Stoneblade v 'something playing Geist if Saint Traft' in round 4 and seeing a spell pierce countered by a force, countered by a force, countered by a force, countered by a force.

Now I need to work out how to fund more cards for my deck. :)

[Paul7926]

@Paul
I live in London. If you ever come to a tournament here I can lend you pretty much any goblin card there is. If you want send me a PM and I'll send you my details.

Thanks, much appreciated.

[neddsaurus]

Hi all. Normally play dnt but want to build another deck. Love goblins so here I am. Anyone able to tell me some of the best and worst matchups?

[Chatto]

Hi all. Normally play dnt but want to build another deck. Love goblins so here I am. Anyone able to tell me some of the best and worst matchups?

Hi and welcome, neddsaurus, try the OP, because that's were you should start. Besides, it's up-to-date. Then if you have any questions, please feel free to ask them.

[seilaquem]

Hi all. Normally play dnt but want to build another deck. Love goblins so here I am. Anyone able to tell me some of the best and worst matchups?

the worst MU is omni, even w/ Winstigator.
it has a good MU against miracles (if you play it right), and most control-oriented decks.
elves is hard, unless you play pyrokinesis

It is not common, but the sliver MU is pretty hard too. I haven`t figured out how to beat it.

hope I could help you.