Originally Posted by KobeBryan
Counter-protected Deed and lucky combo fireing into Elesh or grave titan
Discard for the cages, Needle on DRS, counter-battle it out over a Reanimation spell and hope you win.
Do you happen to know if they were playing any Surgical Extractions?
From my phone. I do my best, dammit!
Engineered Explosives also work as well.
Counter-protected Deed and lucky combo fireing into Elesh or grave titan
The more mana efficient version of Pernicious Deed in your case would be crime // punishment if the target is primarily DRS - in a really bad game state [5 mana + petal] it's also reanimate'y.
You guys make it sound so easy.
I thought the goal was to take out counters for pithing needle and abrupt decay and more discard.
I did not see extraction.
Well, perhaps I did make it sound a bit too easy. Honestly, it's difficult to discard the Cage, because it's a windmill card that is playable off any land, and most players only play 1. That said, if you get it gone, it's done. Decay handles it well, but finding Decay is the issue. What does your list look like?
From my phone. I do my best, dammit!
3 griselbrand
1 Iona, shield of emeria
1 tidespout tyrant
1 elesh norn, grand cenobyte
1 grave titan
4 brainstorm
3 ponder
3 thoughtsieze
4 careful study
4 entomb
4 reanimate
4 daze
3 exhume
4 force of will
2 animate dead
3 lotus petal
4 polluted delta
3 verdant catacombs
4 underground sea
1 bayou
1 tropical island
1 swamp
1 island
Board:
3 abrupt decay
3 duress
2 pithing needle
2 surgical extraction
1 thoughtsieze
1 massacre
1 Aetherling
1 inkwell
1 flex
I'm not sure about the board. Inkwell is good and bad, I like aetherling. Any suggestions.
This is close to what I would play. A couple differences:
I dislike lotus petal because in this deck, it makes your great hands insane, but make some otherwise good hands unplayable...aka more variance in a deck with already quite a bit of variance. I feel like you lose more games from getting mana screwed due to the petals than from being half a turn slower when you have the nuts already. I would just got up to 17 lands and a 4th ponder.
I don't think you need surgicals in the board. You are already good vs. omnitell, dredge, and other combo decks, so surgical is only really for the lands match-up. I would play 2 disfigures in that slot, deals with deathrite, delvers, thalia, containment priest etc.
Inkwell is bad from my experience. D&T can race it easily with batterskull and there are better targets in other match ups.
I wasn't the biggest fan of the petal either only because it leaves you quite dead a lot of times. I guess i can go up a swamp and a bayou in the slot.
so you suggest i do not need surgicals at all?
What should i do over inkwell.
I would leve out the surgicals. Playing Petals is verry important in my oppinion and 3 is the way to go, keep this up!
thoughts on this list?
http://sales.starcitygames.com/deckd...p?DeckID=91248
big notables are
20 lands, including 4 wasteland
no force of wills in 75
1st place, but how many people entered....
-rob
-4 Wasteland
-3 Lotus Petal
+4 Faithless Looting
+2 Fetchland
+1 Exhume
and that would make for a very solid list. However there are 0 reasons not to play Faithless Looting in a list that splashes red and doesn't play FoW.
Bad Player here. Took this to a 30 man and punted
3 griselbrand
1 Iona, shield of emeria
1 tidespout tyrant
1 elesh norn, grand cenobyte
1 grave titan
4 brainstorm
4 ponder
3 thoughtsieze
4 careful study
4 entomb
4 reanimate
4 daze
3 exhume
4 force of will
2 animate dead
4 polluted delta
4 verdant catacombs
4 underground sea
2 bayou
1 tropical island
1 swamp
1 island
Board:
3 abrupt decay
3 duress
2 pithing needle
1 disfigure
1 Pernicious Deed
1 thoughtsieze
1 massacre
1 Aetherling
1 Empyrial Archangel
1 Dread of Night
I didn't use the petal because i was so screwed from variance playing on cockatrice. Played a more traditional deck to make sure I don't get mana screwed.
1-2 Painters
Game 1 - I go off with Griselbrand on turn 2 or 3. He can't stop it while i draw a ton of cards. I wasn't even sure he was on painters for a while.
Sideboard - Out 4 daze, 4 force of will, 1 grave titan, 1 ponder, In - 3 duress, 1 thoughtseize, 3 abrupt decay, 1 pernicius deed, 2 needle
game 2 - I got land screwed. Had 1 underground sea and he blasted it. I tried to ponder when i got a land in finally, but he blasted it. Then got grinded.
game 3 - No lands again for 3 turns. I had a ponder and a brainstorm. I ponder, turn 1. No lands. Shuffle. Turn 2, i brainstorm or something, it gets blasted. Goes down hill from here after he drops a crypt, then welder. I eventually bait his crypt with 1 reanimate, but he welds it back or draws another crypt. I don't remember. I eventually drop a deed with 7 life. He welds a pithing needle from gy and names it. I only had 3 lands with none untapped.
0-2 Shardless
Game 1 - Stuck with a 1 lander. I have ponder and brainstorm. They both blank for a while. Then he gets his DRS ready and I was out. He also dropped a jace.
Board - Out 4 daze, 4 force of will, Iona, grave titan (i should have kept it in), 1 reanimate. In 3 abrupt decay, 1 pernicious deed, 1 empyrial, 3 duress, 1 thoughtseize, 2 needle.
Game 2 - Mull to 6. Turn 1 i get his gy hate. He then drops a cage. It resolves. He then drops a nihil spellbomb, i needle it. Eventually i was able to abrupt decay his cage. I was able to get griselbrand on board with a animate dead. but he has 1 baleful strix in play 2 shardless agent and a goyf. I couldn't attack or I will face lethal at 6 life. I had to attack eventually, i gain some life. Eventually i was able ot get tide sprout, but he had so many attackers it didn't matter. He then dropped a liliana and it was game
Eventually i was able to kill his strix with a decay. However, he overruns me with goyfs after i was forced to attack into griselbrand when I was at 2 life.
Burn 2-1
Game 1 - burned to death
game 2 - on the draw. End turn, discard iona. TUrn 2 reanimate
Game 3 - Turn 2 empyrial
he would only have 1 red source and it would be a non-basic.
anyone know how many people were in this tourney?
-rob
I played in the Starcity event in Worcester this weekend. I have my tournament report below, input is appreciated as this was my first large event.
Decklist:
3 Griselbrand
1 Iona
1 elesh
1 Tidespout
1 Grave titan
4 entomb
4 careful study
4 reanimate
4 exhume
1 animate dead
4 FOW
3 daze
4 thoughtseieze
4 brainstorm
3 ponder
3 lotus petal
3 underground sea
4 polluted delta
2 bloodstained mire
1 flooded strand
1 bayou
1 trop
2 swamp
1 island
Sideboard:
3 abrupt decay
3 duress
2 pithing needle
1 sire
1 aetherling
1 inkwell leviathan
1 disfigure
1 massacre
2 surgical extraction
Round 1 Merfolk (chalice, no vial) – 1-0
G1: She gets a turn one daze merfolk then turn 2 chalice on 1. I die slowly to a handful of merfolk.
G2: Turn 1 entomb Iona, turn 2 exhume Iona with force backup. Named blue and that was game.
G3: I have the nuts, turn 1 Iona on blue with a force for her attempt to force.
Round 2 Miracles – 1-1
G1: I play, turn 1 careful study for the one fatty in my hand Iona, then reanimate. I blind named white which turns about to be good since next turn he plays top. I swing in for 14 over two turns then the last turn he top decks a krakas and bounces Iona. That game I manage to reanimate a grave titan which gets terminused then reanimate him again and him and 1 zombie get STP. Then the guy top decks Jace to bounce my last zombie, I then get Jace ulted. He wins at 1 life. Very frustrating game.
G2: Turn 1 I duress and take his RIP. He forces my turn 3 attempt to reanimate atheling then he gets the counterbalance lock and I don’t get to play anymore magic.
Round 3 Omnitell – 2-1
G1: I’m on the draw, he turn one preordains. I suspect Omni at this point. I careful study and discard griselbrand, keeping an Iona in my hand. Turn 2 I reanimate and I keep Iona in hand all game.
G2: I have Iona in hand and turn one I entomb a tidespout. His second turn he show and tells Emrakul, I put in Iona on blue. He swings after he counters my attempt to exhume tidespout, I was dead either way.
G3: Turn 1 duress which gets countered. Turn 2 entomb and reanimate Iona.
Round 4 Infect – 2-2
G1: He’s on the play, he plays a turn 1 glistener elf. I entomb Elesh, next turn I reanimate with counter backup.
G2: I bin Tidespout off of a careful study then reanimate turn 2. Over the next few turns I draw 2 land, 2 exhume, and 2 griselbrand. I end up casting both exhumes on nothing just to bounce his loan glistener elf. My last turn before I could swing for leathal he crop rotates to get an inkmoth nexus and on his turn he swings for 12 infect.
G3: He counters my first attempt to entomb, then he counters my careful study. He lands an elf and I disfigure it. I duress and take a FOW, then turn I draw a thoughtsieze, so I thoughtseize and take a blighted agent. I pass and he plays 1 inkmoth nexus then crop rotates for a second and then crop rotates for a krakas. So on my turn he has 2 inkmoth nexuses and a krakas. I am currently at 1 infect. He swings and uses invigorate so I am at 7 infect. I top deck exhume and I have entomb in hand. At this point I don’t have clue what to get, I entomb grave titan and exhume. He gets blighted agent from his graveyard. I die to his 3 attackers. I don’t know what I should do there, since he had 2 infect fliers and he gets his agent back and he has krakas.
Round 5 TES – 2-3
G1: He’s on the play, turn one he git probes me then ponders. Turn 1 I have 2 land, lotus petal, thoughtsieze, entomb, exhume and ponder. I play the land and thoughtseize. I see 2 rite of flame, cabal therapy, dark rit, and infernal tutor. At that point I put him on ANT. I took his cabal therapy so he can’t take my exhume then I entomb Iona. On his turn he combos out and kills me. I was surpised by the speed of his turn 2 kill.
G2: My seven is 2 duress, 1 thoughtsieze, 1 FOW, and 3 land. I mulligan 4 times each time getting no landers. So I sat at 3 with usea, force, and reanimate. He kills me turn two.
Round 6 Miracles – 3-3
G1: I bin grisel off of careful study, turn 2 I exhume. When I go to draw 7 he STP my grisel, I was at 14 so I didn’t bother to draw 14 because I couldn’t have forced anyway. Off my new 7 I am able to entomb reanimate another grisel the following turn. Then he STP that one and I draw 14 and no counter spell. But that lets me discard Iona and Elesh at my end step. Next turn I reanimate both and name white on Iona, he concedes.
G2: Turn 1 I thoughtseize and take a RIP. I entomb Aetherling on turn 2. The next turn I go to thoughtseize and he flashes in containment priest. I have a hand full of reanimate spells, and never draw an abrupt decay.
G3: I discard Iona and griselbrand turn 2. Then he draws and plays RIP. After a few turns I draw abrupt decay and do it at his end step. My turn I duress and take his force of will, then entomb and exhume grave titan because he had a krakas out. I kill him with zombies.
Round 7 Dredge – 3-4
G1: I entomb Elesh at his endstep then spend the next few turns playing ponders and brainstorms until he kills me.
G2: Turn 3 elesh wins it.
G3: My hand is 2 careful study, brainstorm, land, 2 entomb reanimate. Hes on the play and he casts unmask. He takes my reanimate. I entomb elesh and never see a reanimate over 7 turns, 2 careful studies and 2 brainstorms.
Round 8 U/B Tezz – 3-5
G1: I have the nuts, I turn one griselbrand.
G2: I have the nuts again, but he gets a leyline of the void and a cage. Turn 2 he plays chalice on 1. Turn 3 he plays trinisphere. Then he beats me with thopters.
G3: I mull to 5, he gets his leyline out. He gets chalice on 1 which I decay. Turn 4 he plays helm of obedience and kills me.
After this game he told me his local store is 2 ANT, 1 dredge and 1 reanimator usually so he has lots of hate for combo and graveyard. Oh well.
Overall I felt ok about my results and had fun. Two games I'd like input on are round 4 game 3 against infect. What creature can you get to win there? Maybe grisel to reload? And Round 5 Vs TES game 2, is that first hand with 3 discard good or did I make the right call and just get screwed? That was my first time playing any storm variant and I didn't think TES was that fast, if I did i might have changed my TS target game 1.
Against infect the play is always elesh, he has no creatures above 1/1 so he can't play anything or activate inkmoth.
With ur list did u ever need the petals? I'm wondering if adding another land and more ponders or something is better then the petals.
The problem with elesh there was that he had Krakas and 2 inkmoth nexuses. So at my end step he bounces elesh and then he animates his lands and kills me on his turn. The petals were great, they enabled 5 turn 1 reanimates in 8 rounds. So about 1 in every 5 games I was getting a turn 1 reanimate.
Not an expert, but I think your only play there is to get Tidespout and pray for a miracle. If you get Tidespout, you can block the Inkmoths (so he can't really attack with them) and pray you draw enough spells to bounce the Blighted Agent. You'd probably need to get a Griselbrand into play somehow soon after though to keep up the pace.
"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order
How many open mana left do you have and what was your total life then? Maybe you could have entomb for Griselbrand, then draw 7 - 14 in response to his Karakas and maybe hope to get another Exhume, Pithing Needle, and then animate Elesh Norn or get another Disfigure. As compared to Grave Titan there isn't anything you can hope for after you animate him.
At that time I beleive I had one left over mana after an entomb/exhume and I was at 12 life. So I could have gotten grisel and drawn 7, I think that might have been my best play.
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