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    Re: [Deck] Aggro Loam

    Well, both Miracles and Omnitell might have been good or at least somewhat favorable with a good sideboard, but in different ways, both felt very precarious because they had the ability to come from behind and "slam the door" against virtually any board. Elves feel similar, but I've found them somewhat easier to interact with and therefore less threatening. It looks like my Firespout tech will remain in my board for some time.

    Edit: I think Jitte might work. What would you replace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mono-Green View Post
    Is the deck too creature-lite to place a Jitte in the board?
    Would only consider such thing if we put a tutor package for it(SFM).
    Some versions of the deck can run it and I tried myself in the past.
    The problem with putting a single copy in the sideboard is that it does not do enough by itself and we are, as you said, creature light.
    If you can manage some space I can see putting 2 SFM and 1 Jitte in the sideboard, but then the question is if it is really impactufl to take 3 sb slots?

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    Re: [Deck] Aggro Loam

    Considering that I sometimes find myself going down to only ten creatures, I don't think I could ever justify sporting a Jitte. I wouldn't fault anyone for trying it, but I personally wouldn't.

    Also, I think Thalia would probably be on the chopping block before Ethersworn Canonist.


    Quote Originally Posted by bakofried View Post
    I'm not suggesting overboarding for it. My board really hasn't changed much from earlier lists: it changed the Thalia to an Ethersworn Canonist, and changed the Choke to an Engineered Plague. My question is, do you have any advice on dealing with that much up, given the available tools? It seems to crop up whenever I jam games.
    Sorry. Been busy. Left you hanging.

    But honestly, there's not any clever trick to beating Merfolk. Punishing Fire early enough (before they stack Lords), all the sweepers, etc. Unless you can identify that a ticking Vial is their only way to reach True-Name, don't give a fuck about it.
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    I currently have a jitte in my board. (decklist in sig) It hasn't been great in the DTT meta, but will probably be better now. I was on the fence about cutting it for a decay.

    I'm playing 10 creatures and never find myself without one to attach it to. Worst case scenario I stick it onto a tree and send it forth to die for counters. I think in general when I bring it in I also want to be bringing in some creatures.

    You really don't need to play SFM with it tho. I've seen it out of jund and merfolk and such as a trump against creature decks.

    I likewise have never had much trouble with elves. Chalice is insane, boardwipes are insane. Teeg is quite good. Pfire is gas. wasteland is live.. decay is fine. The only thing is, in that matchup I mull for a turn 1 play. If they get under you they can actually win.

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    It'd likely take the place of one of the Charms. If it connects, it's absolutely devastating to Elves and other creature based decks.

    I also don't think it's necessary to run SFM to grab it.

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    Re: [Deck] Aggro Loam

    Dare I say it, but could Burning Wish/Devastating Dreams be a thing again?

    (Probably not tbh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphix View Post
    Dare I say it, but could Burning Wish/Devastating Dreams be a thing again?

    (Probably not tbh)
    While I loved the toolbox and the open ended lines it provided, I always felt that version of the deck folded to itself more than the others.

    On another note, I was goldfishing tonight and dealt this opener:

    Mox, Chalice, GSZ, Punishing Fire, Confidant, Loam, Wasteland.

    I'm 99.999...% sure I always ship this, but is it wrong to dream of the possibility this hand has?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mono-Green View Post
    Mox, Chalice, GSZ, Punishing Fire, Confidant, Loam, Wasteland.

    I'm 99.999...% sure I always ship this, but is it wrong to dream of the possibility this hand has?
    I'm pretty sure I'd mull it most of the time. If not, Mox away the wasteland, zenith up a dryad and hope to survive their turn with both mana sources intact. They will smell blood in the water tho so most removal and counters put you in a pretty weak spot. On the draw this potentially is way better. I'd mull in the blind but expect some people to keep on the draw.

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    Re: [Deck] Aggro Loam

    Mister Johannes Gutbrod is kicking some ass again(3rd place) http://www.ovinotournament.com/legac...-ottobre-2015/

    Note the shave of the DRS/Qasali for the 4th Decay!

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    Re: [Deck] Aggro Loam

    Great finish for him! I have to wonder what his sideboard was, though.
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    The Reserved List is a) not legally binding, b) antiquated, c) broken, and d) preventative of maximum game enjoyment. Wizards will remove as many cards from that list as possible to increase the fun of their game. Using market research, they can find a balance between printing enough cards to lower a price from $40 to $15-$20, and not utterly ruining their value. This will be both an economically feasible AND sensible move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakofried View Post
    Great finish for him! I have to wonder what his sideboard was, though.
    Poorly formatted website, but it's there.

    Sideboard (15)
    2 Leyline of the Void
    2 Thoughtseize
    2 Slaughter Games
    1 Golgari Charm
    1 Reclamation Sage
    2 Choke
    1 Toxic Deluge
    2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
    1 Maelstrom pulse
    1 Garruk Relentless
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    Re: [Deck] Aggro Loam

    Yeah, it wasn't showing up on mobile. Interestingly, he took 3rd in the main event and 7th in the side event, making minor changes between events. The changes were -1 Garruk Relentless, -1 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben => +1 Ajani Vengeant, +1 Containment Priest. Think it was a meta call for the day, or a reflection of some dissatisfaction with the prior configuration? My only quibble is the 2 Leyline...I can see 1, 3, or 4, but 2 just seems to be the most awkward number. Am I wrong for thinking this?

    Also, I'll be trying out the 4th Decay over the Deathrite. Who knows, I might dig it.
    Quote Originally Posted by ktkenshinx View Post
    The Reserved List is a) not legally binding, b) antiquated, c) broken, and d) preventative of maximum game enjoyment. Wizards will remove as many cards from that list as possible to increase the fun of their game. Using market research, they can find a balance between printing enough cards to lower a price from $40 to $15-$20, and not utterly ruining their value. This will be both an economically feasible AND sensible move.
    -ktkenshinx-

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakofried View Post
    My only quibble is the 2 Leyline...I can see 1, 3, or 4, but 2 just seems to be the most awkward number. Am I wrong for thinking this?
    You're not wrong for thinking it. If you're in a bind against Dredge or Reanimator and know you have three Leylines in your deck, it's not unreasonable to try and mull for them. But if you only have two, you're gambling quite a bit. It's a one number difference, but I feel like it's significant enough to justify your gut reaction. Beyond that, I've always been happy with three on a sheer quantity basis. Every once in a while I'll consider cutting one, but then I remember that Lands is a bitch and I'm willing to even hardcast Leylines against such a fiend.

    Also, I think the Containment Priest is probably to combat Elves. I know I personally cut Thalia and one Slaughter Games for a Containment Priest and an Ethersworn Canonist.
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    Hey guys, this is Johannes Gutbrod. I really enjoyed playing this deck @ Ovino to top 8 and top 4 split.
    After local tournaments which went pretty well I finally finished highly somewhere, where it will get noticed ;)

    If you guys are interested I might wright a smallish report, as I took notes after each match?!

    Regarding the sideboard questions:

    The canges where the other way round than mentioned by bakofried.

    I changed the 3rd Leyline for a Containment Priest about one month ago, due to the uprising of Sneak Attack and Elves in my local meta.
    On Friday I never boarded it and thought that I overthought the metagame change and was sure to not play it on saturday.

    The second Thalia is a card I go back and forth about but atm I think ist quite good due to versatility. You can bring it against storm (where I prefer it over Canonist, due to slowing their cantrips down immensly and beeing a legend for Karakas and some other corner-case scenarios). She is great against Burn too (which I faced 2 times during the swiss on saturday) and you can bring her against Miracles (best on the play ofc).

    The meta in Italy was very midrangey with lots of Shardless, Team America and Miracles. That's why I wanted another resilient thread: a planeswalker. I first opted for Ajani but realized that I prefered the versatility of Garruk. The token generation is much more important than tapping lands against Miracles for example too. Downsides is him being and staying boltable and vulnerable to Clique and that flipped Garruk is decayable...

    For the Maindeck:
    I HATE Deathrite Shaman!! It's just so poor to draw him in midgame and not beeing able to cast him. We will Keep Chalice in 80% of our games, so this Scenario isn't very unlikely. When Zenithing I rarely wished for Deatrite. It's either Dyrad or Knight or the utility creatures for their given MU's (Teeg vs Miracle, Ooze vs Dredge...).

    So I cutted him for Pridemage (as he was flexible against Equipment, Vial, Balance and to a lesser extent Omni). With the decline of omni and the now big uprising of Miracles, Pridemage suffers the same Scenario as Deathrite prior. He might not be castable in the situation where we want his effect (for example agianst active Balance). Decay is just ultra flexible and one of our best cards against MentorMiracles too. It's one more removal for Delver strategies and Goyfs out of tempo decks too. These are scary scenarios when those decks just flood you with creatures you can't handle fast enough to play out your hand and enjoy your much stronger lategame plan (I think this is a scenario all of us have experienced^^).

    This is all I have in my mind right now concerning the deck :)
    If you're interested I will do the report, but it might take some time, as I'm very busy atm.

    Greetings Johannes

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    A tournament report would be awesome!
    Quote Originally Posted by ktkenshinx View Post
    The Reserved List is a) not legally binding, b) antiquated, c) broken, and d) preventative of maximum game enjoyment. Wizards will remove as many cards from that list as possible to increase the fun of their game. Using market research, they can find a balance between printing enough cards to lower a price from $40 to $15-$20, and not utterly ruining their value. This will be both an economically feasible AND sensible move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zerzab11 View Post
    These are scary scenarios when those decks just flood you with creatures you can't handle fast enough to play out your hand and enjoy your much stronger lategame plan (I think this is a scenario all of us have experienced^^).
    This is exactly why I'm playing:
    1x Deathrite Shaman
    1x Dismember
    3x Green Sun's Zenith

    2 more turn 1 accelerants (3 more turn 1 plays) makes it much harder for the opponent to just get under you and invalidate your gameplan. I board out DRS in most of the fair/slow matchups but as bad as the card feels when you draw him turn 5 what he does for the deck is important enough IMO to suffer those feel-bads. The deck is strong enough in the late game to be okay-ish drawing dead stuff like DRS, Mox, extra chalices, libraries etc IMO but I win maybe 30% more games when I start with a turn 1 accelerant than when I don't.

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    Re: [Deck] Aggro Loam

    Quote Originally Posted by zerzab11 View Post
    If you guys are interested I might wright a smallish report, as I took notes after each match?!
    Some questions are not needed, just write the damn report :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zerzab11 View Post
    Hey guys, this is Johannes Gutbrod. I really enjoyed playing this deck @ Ovino to top 8 and top 4 split.
    After local tournaments which went pretty well I finally finished highly somewhere, where it will get noticed ;)

    If you guys are interested I might wright a smallish report, as I took notes after each match?!

    Regarding the sideboard questions:

    The canges where the other way round than mentioned by bakofried.

    I changed the 3rd Leyline for a Containment Priest about one month ago, due to the uprising of Sneak Attack and Elves in my local meta.
    On Friday I never boarded it and thought that I overthought the metagame change and was sure to not play it on saturday.

    The second Thalia is a card I go back and forth about but atm I think ist quite good due to versatility. You can bring it against storm (where I prefer it over Canonist, due to slowing their cantrips down immensly and beeing a legend for Karakas and some other corner-case scenarios). She is great against Burn too (which I faced 2 times during the swiss on saturday) and you can bring her against Miracles (best on the play ofc).

    The meta in Italy was very midrangey with lots of Shardless, Team America and Miracles. That's why I wanted another resilient thread: a planeswalker. I first opted for Ajani but realized that I prefered the versatility of Garruk. The token generation is much more important than tapping lands against Miracles for example too. Downsides is him being and staying boltable and vulnerable to Clique and that flipped Garruk is decayable...

    For the Maindeck:
    I HATE Deathrite Shaman!! It's just so poor to draw him in midgame and not beeing able to cast him. We will Keep Chalice in 80% of our games, so this Scenario isn't very unlikely. When Zenithing I rarely wished for Deatrite. It's either Dyrad or Knight or the utility creatures for their given MU's (Teeg vs Miracle, Ooze vs Dredge...).

    So I cutted him for Pridemage (as he was flexible against Equipment, Vial, Balance and to a lesser extent Omni). With the decline of omni and the now big uprising of Miracles, Pridemage suffers the same Scenario as Deathrite prior. He might not be castable in the situation where we want his effect (for example agianst active Balance). Decay is just ultra flexible and one of our best cards against MentorMiracles too. It's one more removal for Delver strategies and Goyfs out of tempo decks too. These are scary scenarios when those decks just flood you with creatures you can't handle fast enough to play out your hand and enjoy your much stronger lategame plan (I think this is a scenario all of us have experienced^^).

    This is all I have in my mind right now concerning the deck :)
    If you're interested I will do the report, but it might take some time, as I'm very busy atm.

    Greetings Johannes
    Great info Johannes, I'd also love a small tournament report if you wouldn't mind sparing the time. I'd be especially interested in your matchups and how you sideboarded for each.

    Congrats on the excellent finish!

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    Report time...

    http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...042#post909042

    I hope you guys like it!

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    Johannes, you traitor! :P

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