[Deck] GW/x Maverick

[iamajellydonut]

Now, while damage has been done you're still an "attacking creature" until the end of the combat damage step (or possibly to the end of combat step. I don't quite remember at the moment as I haven't had to care.
I may be mixing up

• 511.3. As soon as the end of combat step ends, all creatures and planeswalkers are removed from combat. After the end of combat step ends, the combat phase is over and the postcombat main phase begins (see rule 505).

[Nik842]

It's not "double attacking" it's psuedo vigilance.

To understand you have to understand the combat steps:



Now, while damage has been done you're still an "attacking creature" until the end of the combat damage step (or possibly to the end of combat step. I don't quite remember at the moment as I haven't had to care.
I may be mixing up

That actually made it very clear. Thanks for that!

[Msbrigido1989]

I am new to the forum and i hope you guys might be able to make some positive contributions
I will use this list im my local store in Brazil within 35-38 players, but most of all using control and combo decks and is quite painful to play against (storm, reanimator, bug shardless, stoneblade, miracles....)
How does this list look?

4x Deathrite Shaman
4x Knight of the Reliquary
3x Mother of Runes
3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2x Stoneforge mystic
1x Sylvan safekeeper
1x Gaddock teeg
1x qasali pridemage
1x Scavenging ooze
1x Dryad arbor


4x Green Sun Zenith
3x Abrupt Decay
3x Swords to Plowshares
2x Hymn to tourach
1x Thoughtseize

2x Sylvan Library
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Sword of fire and ice

4x Verdant catacombs
4x Windswept Heath
4x Wasteland

2x Savannah
2x Scrubland
1x Bayou
1x Karakas
1x Horizon Canopy
1x Plains
1x Swamp
1x Forest

[Koby]

Maindeck discard is generally worse than either removal or additional disruptive creatures. There's also the dissynergy between Thalia and <spells>. I would recommend Liliana over Hymn or Thoughtseize as hand disruption, but not over more Thalia first.

[L10]

I agree with Koby. But if you really want a main deck discard spell to hedge against combo, I'd go with Tidehollow Sculler because he's also a clock. Also, BB can be hard to achieve.

[tescrin]

• 511.3. As soon as the end of combat step ends, all creatures and planeswalkers are removed from combat. After the end of combat step ends, the combat phase is over and the postcombat main phase begins (see rule 505).

I'm unsure if this is meant as clarification or refutation. I'll say that it doesn't work as a refutation, but I don't want to get into rules talk unless we're actually in disagreement; in which case it's probably better to send it to the rules forum anyway.

Maindeck discard is generally worse than either removal or additional disruptive creatures.

[Disclaimer: I'm in the Maverick section, and the above quote is quite possibly only in reference to maverick, but the general response has to do with GWB colored decks.]

I think this is a misunderstanding that comes from the GW point of view. I think the issue is that GW can't fit Bob AND removal AND Discard And the GSZ package AND liliana. That's why we have Maverick, Junk, and DGA as different versions.

Discard is wonderful at the "any type of deck" interaction; allowing you to remove permanents, spells, creatures, you name it; preventing Lily from ever activating or SFM from every generating CA; generating virtual CA for yourself.
The issue with Discard is that it sucks so bad late game it requires Sylvan Library/SDT, Dark Confidant, Liliana, and possibly other cards so that you can draw enough or filter enough that the impact it has early game outweighs the negative it has on the late game via card draw/filtering mechanics.

And of course as Koby mentions in the latter of the post; the main issue isn't that Hatebears are better; it's that Thalia is the BOSS hatebear and she doesn't like you having 20-25 non-creature spells in your deck; which is where Junk is at. (~10 removal, 6-7 discard, 2-3 sylvan libraries/sdt, 2-3 equipment, etc..)


I think the "proper" way to mix Junk/Maverick is something like:

-16-18-
4 DRS
4 Bob
1 Teeg
1 Scooze
0-2 QPM
2-4 SFM
3 KotR

-21-23-
3-4 GSZ
2-3 Library
3-4 Decay
3-4 Plow
3 Liliana
2-3 equips
5-7 discard

22(?) lands

You get a mix of Hatebear (Teeg) with Discard and Liliana to help stabilize. I'll be trying a KotR junk again soon; but in general it feels like you get less value and have color issues with this formation (BB, GB and GW) where as GWb has GW and GB as the only combinations so it's "centered."

[Cpt-Qc]

1 Siege Rhino <= singleton feels weak IMO. I'd rather have a Walker personally, or a bomb.

1 Batterskull <= Not as good in this deck as mentioned. Can be used in the side as an anti-Empty The Warrens card.

-23 Lands- <= This is probably fine with maze, but may be 1 too high.


Consider some utility lands. I enjoyed Cabal Pit a bit as a way to kill off Mom or similar. Being able to fetch a kill card is nifty. Bog is an alright card as well; but it's obnoxious to start with and is somewhat mediocre.


An aside; it's only "Dark Maverick" if it has Dark Confidant. It typically looks like a mashup of Maverick and Junk (GSZ package, KotR, Confidant, Discard)

Thanks for the info.

Batterskull has been put in sideboard for now but I'm still wondering if I should replace it with light and shadow.

I put rhino in cause at 4cc he's easy to cast and can be tutored relatively quickly. Also he was my answer to chump blocking (and TNN to some extent).
Edit: Also, he can be hardcast most games. What other choices do I have? Is Sigarda really that much better?

I've adjusted the land count to 22 but It could go back to 23 if I exchange rhino for Rogue's passage as mentioned earlier.
Would that be better than having a trample creature that can be tutored for?

[Echelon]

Well... Sigarda can't be hit by your opponents' spotremoval, eats Delver for breakfast and flies over TNN. But mostly the "can-only-be-answered-by-big-ass-sweepers" bit.

[Msbrigido1989]

I agree with Koby. But if you really want a main deck discard spell to hedge against combo, I'd go with Tidehollow Sculler because he's also a clock. Also, BB can be hard to achieve.

Maindeck discard is generally worse than either removal or additional disruptive creatures. There's also the dissynergy between Thalia and <spells>. I would recommend Liliana over Hymn or Thoughtseize as hand disruption, but not over more Thalia first.

thank you guys, I really appreciate it for your opinions
I'll report to a post after the tournament, giving my feedback and observation about how the deck run exclusively against combo.

[tescrin]

I've adjusted the land count to 22 but It could go back to 23 if I exchange rhino for Rogue's passage as mentioned earlier.
Would that be better than having a trample creature that can be tutored for?

Can't say for sure. If you want an evasive huge-dude; I'd go Sigarda, as much as I'm "meh" on it. If you *just* want evasion, you can go the Scryb Ranger route. Siege Rhino is a fine card it seems, but I feel like it's home is more in Nic Fit where it can be cast several times.

I often don't have an issue of requiring evasion to connect; either because the Sword I choose has the correct protection, Mom is there, or some other nuance. Another point is that you don't have to hit the player with Jitte, so Jitte tends to be my go to and the evasion matters little; since the CA generated by connecting is enough to seal the deal.

[Koby]

How has Pithing Needle as a sideboard slot been working out for folks? Which matchups do you normally bring in it for?

[bakofried]

When I was testing it, I brought Needle in against Miracles. Most of the time I named Top; in corner cases, Jace and E. Explosives. I didn't test against other MU's with Needle in the 76.

[sdematt]

It's an excellent all-star. I like it against Miracles for Top (or Jace), I like it against Sneak for Sneak, Vial, etc.

-Matt

[Fl0do]

I think Needle is great, I'm playing 2 in my SB at the moment.

I'm boarding it vs:

Miracles (SDT, Jace)
Shardless Sultai (Liliana, Jace, sometimes Deathrite)
Jund (Liliana, sometimes Deathrite)
Death & Taxes (Vial, Equipment, Mangara, sometimes Mother of Runes)
Sneak and Show (Griselbrand, Sneak Attack)
Elves (Wirewood Symbiote, Quirion Ranger, sometimes Deathrite)
Lands (Thespian's Stage, Rishadan Port, sometimes Wasteland)
Goblins (Vial, ..)
Merfolk (Vial, Mutavault)
Infect (Inkmoth Nexus)
12-Post (SDT, Expedition Map, ...)
and probably many more
//Edit: totally forgot Stoneblade and Painter ^^

and if I have space I'm boarding it also vs. ANT/TES because naming a fetchland is real and has won me at least one game (depends on what I saw in the first game).

[Nik842]

So far I've only used Pithing Needle against Plainswalkers, Thespian Stage, and some Fetchlands. Even with only those three targets, it has definitely found a permanent place in my SB.

[yuMi-]

http://www.starcitygames.com/article...-Maverick.html

can anyone post BBD's list?

ty!

[Jon]

http://www.starcitygames.com/article...-Maverick.html

can anyone post BBD's list?

ty!

I dont pay for premium because they are generally wrong. "His list" is probably a list he took off someone else on the internet.

[Koby]

I dont pay for premium because they are generally wrong. "His list" is probably a list he took off someone else on the internet.

"I decided to cut this [role player] because it doesn't look right. Let's add maximum DRS and SFM and Batterskull instead. New deck: GW Deathblade" - SCG Writer, probably.

[Jon]

"I decided to cut this [role player] because it doesn't look right. Let's add maximum DRS and SFM and Batterskull instead. New deck: GW Deathblade" - SCG Writer, probably.

"Stoneforge is so powerful, I added it to Miracles and won something because I only know how to fetch batterskull. " - BVMD

[Cpt-Qc]

Are you guys pros in disguise? you've got great Maverick insight :O