Meffeo,
I just settled on my final list as well as the SB.
My main list is the standard quad laser pure and simple. The side, however, is really interesting.
3x Decay
3x Claim
2x City
2x Firestorm
2x DR
1x Iona
1x E.Norn
1x Ashen rider
I have been testing this out and it covers a wide variety of hate. Decay and Claim cover two different types of threats and can also be used in conjunction with each other of the situation calls for it. I ran something similar when I came in third at an IQ on the east coast and it worked rather well.
To answer your question about Coliseum, I run three to better supplement the Abrupt Decays. Seeing one is OK. I never want to see them in multiples. Ever. It rarely comes up when I'm banking on using it.
I do appreciate the reply Meffeo.
Im playing a bit grindier UB dredgedeck(no led or faithless) and thinking about buying 2 Jacy, Vryn's Prodigy. I like the "tap"ability to get cards in graveyard and the - abilities to get a better chance to cast the sideboardcard that been dredged to the gravyard.
What do you think? Is it worth it?
Short answer: NoOriginally Posted by BJeagle
Long Answer: HELL NO! Jace although has a good looting ability, is extremely narrow and he has to sit for a turn once you cast him. If you are not running Faithless what are you flashing back once jace flips? You want a grindier version of dredge, play the river kelpie manaless version.
Real men run Whirlpool Drake in that build!
Whirlpool Rider is slightly better IMO.
That fully depends on whether you run Disrupting Shoals or not. If not, Drake gives you twice as many dredges (as long as you can kill it after DR'ing it) and no, it can't let you draw yourself to death.
I'm not playing manaless, but when I was. I was playing shoals. Card is pretty clutch sometimes. Too bad manaless is the ultimate shit the bed deck.
It's incredibly fun to play. When it works, it works really well. When your opponent has answers or hate in any form or shape, yes, you're fucked. Hard. And not in the good way either!
It's mostly a big YOLO
Yeah I really like Manaless. Because it's hard to interact with it can be a good choice on some occasions, but yes > Shit. Bed. Often.
At least lately anyway... so much gravehate the last year. I'm hoping the absence of DTT makes a difference and I can go back to playing LED/Manaless dredge.
I used to be a bigger fan of manaless but since recent ive totally converted to led dredge. For the past few weeks ive gone 3-1,3-1 and most recently 4-0 only losing two games. My meta has every deck imaginable but mostly tier one decks. The thing I like about led dredge is its ability to bait out counters allowing us to play our spells. When dredge gets to play spells we win. A resolved breakthrough has almost always proved gg. Dont be afraid to run out an led before a land drop if you have loot effects in hand, a lesser opponent may cast daze. Personally I havnt needed decay and feel that claim is the way to go, cabal therapy has done a remarkable job of clearing the way of counters anyhow. Its been my experience of late that hate has been a combination of a single cage, surgical and an ooze. The more comfortable I get with this deck the more blown away I am at its pure power. Happy Halloween guys, tis the season to dredge!
I was the only person to day 2 SCG STL with dredge. 6-3 record for day 1. 2 of those losses were for sure to my own misplays, hadn't played magic in over a year. Random stuff like not seeing a Faithless Looting in the grave from a foil's reflection to a convention center light. Overslept for day 2, I didn't even know there was a second day until after round 3. Like I said, haven't paid attention to or played magic in over a year. Had I not played like crap, I think the list just gave it to me and i missed it. Highlights were winning against Infect both times i played it, and watching some guy that had a video deck tech for his KOTR deck pick up Firestorm to read it.
4 Cephalid Coliseum
4 Gemstone Mine
3 Mana Confluence
1 City of Brass
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Faithless Looting
4 Breakthrough
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Bridge from Below
1 Dread Return
4 Putrid Imp
4 Narcomoeba
4 Ichorid
4 Golgari Thug
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Golgari Grave-Troll
2 Street Wraith
1 Ashen Rider
Sideboard
4 Wear//Tear
3 Lotus Petal
3 Firestorm
1 Darkblast
1 Dread Return
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Ashen Rider
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
Congratulations on making day 2. Yeah, they made the format switch at the beginning of this year so its relatively recent.
How were the Wear//Tears in the sideboard? Was there ever a time you cast it for the Fuse cost or wished it was a Nature's Claim or Abrupt Decay?
"If we don't know what we are doing, the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions!"
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Thanks. The new scry thing is VERY good for dredge.
They were fine. I hit a Helm and Rest in Peace fused one game which won a match for me. I have fused them multiple times at other events (long story short, I've piloted dredge long enough that I've won a city championship title with it while the mechanic was still in standard.) I suppose it's preference, but I like the utility of the potential 2 for 1. Usually they don't get fused though. The guy with the Reliquary deck that made top 8 or whatever lost a game to me because his DRS and Scavenging Ooze got Firestormed for 2. That being said, if I ran the list again tomorrow, I'd run a third Street Wraith main over the Ashen Rider for more gas in game 1, and go down to 3 Wear//Tear in the board for the 2nd Rider. For now I feel like Firestorm and Darkblast handle any real threats. I honestly haven't considered running Nature's Claim since Wear//Tear was printed.
Thoughtseize sounds amazing though. Someone on the forum has 2 in their sideboard and I think they're probably right.
Played in a team legacy tournament yesterday and went 4-2 with this 75:
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Bridge from Below
4 Narcomoeba
4 Golgari Grave Troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
4 Golgari Thug
3 Ichorid
1 Flame-Kin Zealot
1 Griselbrand
4 Careful Study
4 Faithless Looting
4 Breakthrough
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Dread Return
4 Mana Confluence
4 Gemstone Mine
4 Cephalid Coliseum
1 City of Brass
Sideboard:
3 Firestorm
3 Chain of Vapor
3 Nature's Claim
3 Faerie Macabre
1 Ashen Rider
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
Unfortunately, my team mates (playing oops all spells and pox) wasn't as lucky as I was so we ended up 2-3-1 as a team. Anyways, these were my match ups:
Rd1 0-2 Reanimator
2nd turn Iona on Black on both games.
Rd2 1-2 D&T
Manage to get rid of RIP and dredge most of my library only to have it exiled again with a top deck RIP and Containment Priest on both postboard games.
Rd3 2-0 D&T
No RIP in play? Easy win! Opponent also misplayed his containment priest after Ichorid resolved and didn't know how Bridge from Below works in our favor during combat.
Rd4 2-1 Burn
I mulled to 3 in game 1 and didn't play anything until he killed me. I won game 2 coz he didn't know I was on Dredge. Game 3 I did LED and Breakthrough shenanigans on the first turn.
Rd5 2-1 ANT
I mulled to 3 in game 1 again and lost. I won games 2 and 3 with multiple Cabal Therapies.
Rd6 2-1 Miracles
Game 1 he got a lucky Terminus after fetching a land facing a lethal army of zombies and Ichorid. Games 2 and 3 I played Ichorids one at a time to force him to use his removal spells. Multiple Cabal Therapies got me the win.
I'm thinking of getting rid of FKZ and Griselbrand but I'm not sure what to put in those slots.
Congratulations on the finish, friend. I was happy to see one of us make Day 2, and it's great to see you here on the boards. I see that you completely eschew Careful Study, in favor of other cards. How did that work out for you? As a former Living End player in Modern, I have a great appreciation for Street Wraith. But I haven't been able to pull the trigger on it yet in Dredge. In terms of your SB, I assume Darkblast comes in for Death & Taxes. Possibly Infect?
Thanks, yeah I've been here on the source for a decade now. Magic for two decades now. Kill me, heh. I stopped running Careful Study when Faithless Looting was printed. I can still remember the days of running it alongside 4 Lotus Petal and 4 Deep Analysis main. In certain metas it's better than Breakthrough, but I just wanted to be as explosive as possible. As for Street Wraith, its just a great enabler game one, especially vs an active Deathrite Shaman. As for the Darkblast, yeah, also Elves and such.
Surprised not to see Careful Study here. I guess you're going for a more grindy approach with lots of black creatures to feed your Ichorids.
Do you think this effects the speed of the deck at all?
I've been playing with Street Wraith for a while now, I really think it deserves it's place in LED-dredge due to it's non-interactive nature.
I would love to play with street wraith in led dredge but what to cut? I'm not cutting the putrid imps as they are great against control and my one of dread return has been optimal. Grave hate comes down so quick that I don't believe moving to a grinder game plan really helps this deck whatsoever. Land loot is where this deck wants to be turn one more often than not, right?
I do a 2x2 split of Wraith & Imp. Talked to Que about it for a bit, Tried and tested. Never looking back. You'd be surprised how little the split matters and how often having a turn 1-2 wraith can just put you so far ahead. Especially with deathblade making a comeback.
Don't forget about Shardless and their main deck Shamans! I've been swapping Imps with Wraiths post-board... done the trick so far. Will try the split!
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