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    @ strange targeting wording:
    I feel certain that it is worded that way for some arcane ruling reason.
    I feel sick that it is worded that way for some arcane ruling reason.

    @Anya Merciless Angel:
    Honestly, a 7/7 flying, indestructible for 5 is some serious business. In a commander deck that wants to bring all life totals down with stuff like Mogis, God of Slaughter, Purphoros, God of the Forge or even the new Fiery Confluence, which is entirely possible but not worth the effort up until now, this chick is pretty much the coup de gras you are looking for. Like I recently said, aggro in Commander is annoyingly worthless at the moment. Give that shit an enema. Go!

    @Magus of the Wheel:
    So, that card is incredibly powerful. It is outstandingly powerful. Are we sure this is correctly spoiled? A 3/3 for 3 in red with this ability? Are you kidding me?
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    Re: [COMM] Commander 2015 Spoiler Discussion

    The wording is shitty because it has to work with overload.

    Card is amazing, i could see it being playable even in some fair decks because of the free spell+ double prowess angle. Ancestral vision for example.

    The magus isn't that good imho. Yeah it's a 3/3 for 2R, but that in itself is shitty. You need 3RR to weel over two turns, which isn't that good. Overall, the card could be legacy playable in dragon stompy/stax/chalice decks , but even then, those decks are still T2-T3.

    The angel in aggro decks is a 7/7 indestructible flying for 3WR. Still not good enough when you consider Baneslayer exist and has more relevant abilities, is more reliable etc...

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    Great Oak Guardian has the right profile for elves. Does it make any sense to play him over Craterhoof for the lower cc, and bulk untap untility?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gheizen64 View Post
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    The magus isn't that good imho. Yeah it's a 3/3 for 2R, but that in itself is shitty. You need 3RR to weel over two turns, which isn't that good. Overall, the card could be legacy playable in dragon stompy/stax/chalice decks , but even then, those decks are still T2-T3.
    Looking at the card, I wonder how they translate that flavor text to German. (In German, that AE ligature is a separate letter: Ä)

    It matches up reasonably well with Big Red, but is probably not worth the slot in that deck either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Great Oak Guardian has the right profile for elves. Does it make any sense to play him over Craterhoof for the lower cc, and bulk untap untility?
    The only "advantage" would be that you can use it defensively, but that is really pretty bad, considering if you had a bunch of creatures and it in your hand, if it was Cratterhoof you'd have just won really.


    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Looking at the card, I wonder how they translate that flavor text to German. (In German, that AE ligature is a separate letter: Ä)

    It matches up reasonably well with Big Red, but is probably not worth the slot in that deck either.
    The flavor text is not real, someone just was being cute on the mock-up.
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    I think Mastery is a good card. Worth noting it triggers YP/Mentor twice.

    I really hope the new Magus is part of a cycle but I do think there's a precedent for them to do one-off nods (isn't there a volver or something in one of the CMDR decks?) Magus of the Channel would be so sick.

    This is... not nothing.



    You could get a nice engine going with this card, but it will take some work to compete with the cantrip engine. Still, possibilities.

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    Seems like a decent grindy midrange creature. GSZ-able, Bolt-proof, AD-immune, gives you creatures back even without enough experience. Might be a natural fit for Nic Fit as a GSZ target due to inherent synergy with the deck?

    This just reinforces what I already said before that Wizards loves BG while RW sucks.


    Probably too many hoops to jump through to be worthwile, but who knows.

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    Re: [COMM] Commander 2015 Spoiler Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post


    Seems like a decent grindy midrange creature. GSZ-able, Bolt-proof, AD-immune, gives you creatures back even without enough experience. Might be a natural fit for Nic Fit as a GSZ target due to inherent synergy with the deck?

    This just reinforces what I already said before that Wizards loves BG while RW sucks.


    Probably too many hoops to jump through to be worthwile, but who knows.
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    I am pretty sure that once you pay the BB and sac the creatures, the Zombie Dragon can't be hit by DRS/Scooze/other GY hate, right? Since it goes from the GY zone to the stack zone as soon as the cost is paid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
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    [ Dragon Zombie Thing ]
    Probably too many hoops to jump through to be worthwile, but who knows.
    That alternative cost is quite achievable with cards like Fatestitcher,Gravecrawler and Bloodghast. The issue is that unless you can keep recurring the body, a 'vanilla' 6/6 zombie probably isn't worth the effort when you could just hardcast 'goyf for less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maharis View Post
    ... Since it goes from the GY zone to the stack zone as soon as the cost is paid?
    Technically, it goes to the stack *before* the cost is paid. It occurs to me that as a "cast" and not a "return" the possibility of Vengevine synergies is there.

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    Re: [COMM] Commander 2015 Spoiler Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by maharis View Post
    I am pretty sure that once you pay the BB and sac the creatures, the Zombie Dragon can't be hit by DRS/Scooze/other GY hate, right? Since it goes from the GY zone to the stack zone as soon as the cost is paid?
    Pretty sure that's how it works as long as you hold priority. So you can dump it into your GY with Faithless Looting/Entomb/Liliana/whatever, then holding priority and announce to cast it. There's no window for the opponent to respond with hate if you do it that way.

    Quick question about Centaur Warrior: If you dredge it and a land into the GY at the same time, I assume you can't pay the recovery cost yet with said land, or am I mistaken?

    Edit: Meren seems pretty cool with Evoke creatures. Cast them for their cheap evoke cost, get effect + XP counter, return it to hand eot, rinse and repeat next turn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
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    Quick question about Centaur Warrior: If you dredge it and a land into the GY at the same time, I assume you can't pay the recovery cost yet with said land, or am I mistaken?
    You can't normally use land in your graveyard to get mana. The ability should trigger off a simultaneously dredged land though, and you can feed the dredged land to a DRS to pay it the cost.

    Perhaps you meant fetch lands, where you wouldn't be able to use mana from the fetched land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    You can't normally use land in your graveyard to get mana. The ability should trigger off a simultaneously dredged land though, and you can feed the dredged land to a DRS to pay it the cost.

    Perhaps you meant fetch lands, where you wouldn't be able to use mana from the fetched land.
    I have no idea what you're talking about.



    I'm talking about the --> Centaur goes to hand ability and whether it triggers by a land that is dredged into the yard at the same as itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about...
    I guess I misunderstood:

    Quick question about Centaur Warrior: If you dredge it and a land into the GY at the same time, I assume you can't pay the recovery cost yet with said land, or am I mistaken?

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    Whoa, this card is really good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barook View Post

    Probably too many hoops to jump through to be worthwile, but who knows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jrsthethird;
    I think Balance and Eureka/Hypergenesis are spot on. The blue/black would have to be something that effects all players for it to really be fitting for a multiplayer cycle. Living Death is the obvious black one, but by that point we're just duplicating the Time Spiral suspend cycle. I can't think of anything else right now that fits though.
    Seems this is exactly what it is with the magus costing what the original card cost and the activation being the suspend version cost plus tap.

    I don't think it has to be a multiplayer spell.

    Looking like:

    U [edit: better buy these up too?]
    Magus of the Recall
    U,tap sac: Ancestral
    1/1

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    Magus of the Eureka
    1GG,tap sac: Eureka
    2/4

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    Magus of the Death
    2BB,tap sac: Living Death
    2/2

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    Magus of the Balance
    W,tap sac: Balance
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    Re: [COMM] Commander 2015 Spoiler Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Octopusman View Post
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    Magus of the Recall
    U,tap sac: Ancestral
    1/1
    Yep, totally not broken.

    If there is a cycle, it's probably going to be cards that affect all players for political shenanigans.

    Balance and Eureka fit the bill.

    Black could have Pox effect, but since many players consider LD to be worse than Hitler in EDH, Living Death seems more likely.

    Which leaves us with blue. Timetwister would be too close to Wheel. Same goes for Windfall. Magus of the Prosperity maybe? Upheaval has the same LD issues as Pox and I can't think of any other iconic blue mass spell right now.

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    Re: [COMM] Commander 2015 Spoiler Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemnear View Post


    Edit: or Dredge?
    If i'm sacking 2 creatures, i'm getting something better than this with dredge. Not bad but, not sure this is a LED dredge card.

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    Re: [COMM] Commander 2015 Spoiler Discussion

    Balance is on the edh banlist and I don't think there is a lot of demand for cheap versions of that effect to enter the casual multiplayer format...

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