[COMM] Commander 2015 Spoiler Discussion

[iamajellydonut]

Problem in Legacy is that the deck would probably be terrible versus Miracles.

And basically everything else. Can you imagine the palpable relief of every deck when they see Karlov on turn two instead of seeing Stoneforge Mystic or Dark Confidant or Counterbalance or Sylvan Library? "Well, I was planning on dedicating the entirety of my next turn or pitching with Force of Will in order to deal with their threat, but it's just a Karlov."

Unless your pure plan was to establish a clock, there's no way any deck actually gives a shit about Soul Sisters or Karlov.

[H]

And basically everything else. Can you imagine the palpable relief of every deck when they see Karlov on turn two instead of seeing Stoneforge Mystic or Dark Confidant or Counterbalance or Sylvan Library?

Unless your pure plan was to establish a clock, there's no way any deck actually gives a shit about Soul Sisters or Karlov.

Yeah, he's neat, interesting, and would probably be decent in Modern, but yeah, there are plenty of better options at 2 CMC in Legacy.

[Barook]

Soul Warden/Soul's Attendant turn 1, Karlov turn 2 is a 4/4. Problem in Legacy is that the deck would probably be terrible versus Miracles.

That, and tons of -1/-1 effects. Or fast combo.

He would be pretty cool in Modern, but in the formats he's in, he can't compete because the required shell sucks.

[rufus]

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Unless your pure plan was to establish a clock, there's no way any deck actually gives a shit about Soul Sisters or Karlov.

What are you talking about?! This is the card that Tallowisp needed to get to tier 1. </sarcasm>

[maharis]

Daxos' Torment
Rare
3B
Enchantment
Constellation - Whenever ~ or another enchantment enters the battlefield under your control, ~ becomes an 5/5 demon with flying and haste until end of turn in addition to it's other types.
“The horrors of the underworld follow those, that return to the realm of the mortals.”

I guess throw this on the pile of potential cards for Demon Stompy.

Tech with Riptide Chimera.

Any chance the dark Enchantress decks could use this as a quick closer?

[Cire]

That all said; I tend to look for things that don't encourage you to eat Terminus hard now-a-days.

Yeah - terminus makes a lot of ideas worthless.

How about instead of Rock colors, you go BUG, then run Cursecatcher, Judge's Familiar and endlessly tax an opponents instants and sorceries. (I know. . . bad idea, but fun )

As a serious thought, what about including it as a 2 of alongside sporefrog and fleshbag (4 cards) in a Nic Fit list? Gives you a CA engine and possible soft-lock.

[Tylert]

If you thought you could avoid playing blue in EDH... just check the blue confluence:

3UU instant
- Mana leak
- Creature bounce
- Draw one.

Man... blue gets everything :)

[Davran]

If you thought you could avoid playing blue in EDH... just check the blue confluence:

3UU instant
- Mana leak
- Creature bounce
- Draw one.

Man... blue gets everything :)

Yeah really. The red one is good...but not cryptic command good.

[Piceli89]

Dumb question but I have to:
Can I put this on stack, without passing priority crack LED to discard Enter the Infinite, and target Enter the Infinite with it?

If so, we may have a(nother) new Legacy UR combo deck. Rejoy players of fair decks!

[Lightless]

Dumb question but I have to:
Can I put this on stack, without passing priority crack LED to discard Enter the Infinite, and target Enter the Infinite with it?

Works ith overload but not without cause u got to announce the target when u cast the spell.

[PirateKing]

Dumb question but I have to:
Can I put this on stack, without passing priority crack LED to discard Enter the Infinite, and target Enter the Infinite with it?

If so, we may have a(nother) new Legacy UR combo deck. Rejoy players of fair decks!

I don't think you'd be able to cast the version without a target first, it's worded oddly but no different than any other target spell. The kicked version is another animal, I think I'm correct in that the spell no longer targets, so then yes your scenario would work. The only way it might not work as you position is if it only counts the spells in your graveyard on resolution, like Past in Flames.

[Piceli89]

Well, that is unfortunate. Thanks for your reply.

[(nameless one)]

The thing is would Blue Confluence see play in Legacy/Vintage? What decks would play it?

[mrjumbo03]

Well you could try to get the Enter the Infinite in the yard with a bunch of looting like Faithless Looting/Careful Study/Izzet Charm/Dack Fayden. Maybe run Intuition as well.

[Whitefaces]

You can still just Faithless Looting Enter into the bin and cast this normally, off Rite of Flames probably. Following Enter, Lotus Petals > Rite of Flames > LEDs > discard your deck making 12+ mana and flashback a past in flames then overload mastery (I guess choose whatever kill you want, grapeshot probably)

[rufus]

Well, that is unfortunate. Thanks for your reply.

Is there a particular reason that you want to use LED and play games with the stack? Are you worried that you won't have mana after casting Enter the Infinite or trying to avoid some particular sorcery-speed graveyard hate? You can entomb the payoff spell into the graveyard.

If you're going for a big payoff spell, you can just play reanimator though.

[ReAnimator]

I'm pretty skeptical of a Mizzix's Mastery and enter the infinite as a combo deck. sins of the past has been around for a long time, sure it cost's 6 instead of 4 but it is already in a colour with the 2 of the best rituals, protection in discard and entomb.

Maybe that 2 mana does make all the difference. But compared to Ad Naus and Grisel not sure if this would ever get it done given the hoops you have to jump through. Would be cool though, something satisfying about drawing your whole deck as opposed to just a large chunk of it.

[Cire]

2 mana usually makes a huge difference.

[tescrin]

I think the Orzhov dude looks interesting. Combines well with DRS, opponent's Plows, Jitte (you get 2 modes for the price of 1 counter!), BSK, etc..

Still, if it requires conditional other cards to "combo" into "Goyf" and you're in green, you could just run Goyf. I'll give him props for a CA ability on him though.

[GundamGuy]

I'm pretty skeptical of a Mizzix's Mastery and enter the infinite as a combo deck. sins of the past has been around for a long time, sure it cost's 6 instead of 4 but it is already in a colour with the 2 of the best rituals, protection in discard and entomb.

Maybe that 2 mana does make all the difference. But compared to Ad Naus and Grisel not sure if this would ever get it done given the hoops you have to jump through. Would be cool though, something satisfying about drawing your whole deck as opposed to just a large chunk of it.

I am also skeptial of Mizzix's Mastery and Enter the Infinite, but I think that's heading down the wrong path anyway. IMO Mizzix's Mastery has enough going for it that it'll find it's way into some storm deck, I don't think you need a two card combo to make Mizzix's Mastery solid.