All B/R update speculation.

[Crimhead]

I believe. And I think I was the only enchantress player. One reason I did so well was the fact that enchantress generally kicks the shit out of fair blue decks.

Congrats on the ninth place!

The top tables were almost entirely infect, elves, and miracles with me and a deathblade player pretty much being the exceptions. Take from that what you will.

I'll take it with a heavy dose of salt. This meta is still adjusting. Also the (much larger) tournament I linked above had no Elves or Infect in the top eight (not sure about top16/32).

Mostly I'm just going to patiently watch as the meta sorts itself out and do my best to optimise my Lands list as the format finds its grove.

[Sansian]

There's a "Bitching" thread elsewhere, but as long as sjmcc13 and Barook already brought this point:
I'm not sure if the community is winning, except maybe for the guy who's turning his Legends boosters into Ferrari. But for the average dude it's becoming increasingly bothersome to get the necessary cards and thus he's stuck on the whatever deck/collection he has til the end of time. Is it right, wrong? Idk, I'm just trying to say that cards availability finally may be an issue.

Look, even cards as silly as Nasrat: the Transcendent are pretty expensive and considering the duals and similar stuff, there's no way how and why the people without already big collections should jump from deck to deck namely to try a second-to-the-best choice of non-blue piles additionaly in a context of some bigger tourney.

Honestly this is what keeps me mostly in the realm of blue fair decks. I have access to the blue duals and the cards you'd find in the tempo and control decks... Aside from that I have Loam, DnT, and ANT. I'd love to play elves, lands, reanimator, SnS, etc., but I can't justify getting into them because I didn't buy the cards seven years ago.

[Stevestamopz]

OK

another day another 7/8 in the top 8 ... a gentleman's appearance for elfs.

http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...decklists.html

Change Elves to R/W Taxes, change the link to http://www.starcitygames.com/events/...decklists.html

The song remains the same.

[Blastoderm]

Why is Channel banned and not Show and Tell isn't? Don't they basically do the same thing?

[Barook]

Why is Channel banned and not Show and Tell isn't? Don't they basically do the same thing?

Channel doesn't have AWESOME.

On a more serious note: It allows you to dump your hand and give you the casting boni of the Eldrazi.

[Zombie]

Why is Channel banned and not Show and Tell isn't? Don't they basically do the same thing?

Probably because the Awesome keyword. really, though, it's so strange. S&T has numerous advantages over channel, like not having to expose your win condition to countermagic (not that it'd matter for Emrakul, but anything into Channel makes the Emrakul a Mindbreak Trap target) and far less severe color requirements in way better colors than eg. GGR for Channel Banefire, and it's hard to use Channel for Griseltard.

That said, T2 Channel => hardcast Emrakul is pretty donotwant.jpg stuff.

[guillemnicolau]

Why is Channel banned and not Show and Tell isn't? Don't they basically do the same thing?

If you think that putting an emrakul into play and casting it are the same thing... and you don't pay the life until it resolves, so emrakul is going to resolve too as it's uncounterable. You could also play platinum angel for the lolz.
Channel it's a show and tell for 1 less mana that usually instawins.

[jrsthethird]

Why is Channel banned and not Show and Tell isn't? Don't they basically do the same thing?

Fireball?

[rufus]

Why is Channel banned and not Show and Tell isn't? Don't they basically do the same thing?

IMO, an SnT ban wouldn't be a terrible call. That said, the power level of the cards is significantly different even if you just consider the difference in casting cost and the drawbacks.

[Quasim0ff]

SnT doesn't warrant a ban at the moment. It's hardly dominating, and honestly not a very strong card at the moment (The only good matchup it has of the top tier decks is arguably Shardless), with Miracles and Delver being slightly in favour of non-Show and Tell, and Death and Taxes basically having a bye versus SnT now (again).

[Blastoderm]

SnT doesn't warrant a ban at the moment. It's hardly dominating, and honestly not a very strong card at the moment (The only good matchup it has of the top tier decks is arguably Shardless), with Miracles and Delver being slightly in favour of non-Show and Tell, and Death and Taxes basically having a bye versus SnT now (again).

I wasn't really saying it warranted a ban. I was simply comparing it's power level to something already on the banlist.

[Dice_Box]

People have compared SnT and Channel before. It's never ended with anyone else agreeing with them on the comparison. I would play Green in MUD the day Channel became a card in Legacy and I swear SnT and Griselbrand would look like a toy train compared to what I would drop on the table with that pairing.

[Zombie]

People have compared SnT and Channel before. It's never ended with anyone else agreeing with them on the comparison. I would play Green in MUD the day Channel became a card in Legacy and I swear SnT and Griselbrand would look like a toy train compared to what I would drop on the table with that pairing.

I just had to go vomit. "Forest, LSG, Channel. You ok with a couple Lodestones and a Karn blowing up your only land?"

[rufus]

I just had to go vomit. "Forest, LSG, Channel. You ok with a couple Lodestones and a Karn blowing up your only land?"

Adding Channel to the current legacy cardpool produces a turn 1 format, Channel-Belcher is also stupid. Also Stroke of Genius -> Lich's Mirror tricks.

[sjmcc13]

People have compared SnT and Channel before. It's never ended with anyone else agreeing with them on the comparison. I would play Green in MUD the day Channel became a card in Legacy and I swear SnT and Griselbrand would look like a toy train compared to what I would drop on the table with that pairing.

quoting for truth....

Channel is orders stronger then Show and Tell.

[Lord_Mcdonalds]

I just had to go vomit. "Forest, LSG, Channel. You ok with a couple Lodestones and a Karn blowing up your only land?"

I can imagine the nervous breakdown you'd have if your opponent went channel>griselbrand or channel>emrakul

[Quasim0ff]

I can imagine the nervous breakdown you'd have if your opponent went channel>griselbrand or channel>emrakul

It does take some setup to play Channel > Griselbrand.

Like... Elvish Spirit Guide > Manamorphose > Manamorphose + some sort of mox...

[tescrin]

Also let's be fair: even with paying 15 life, hardcasting Emrakul is *far* more powerful. Can't be answered by ORing, Karakas, Liliana, or various other tricks; all the while they could be holding their Counters up for the answer you're trying to use (which has to be instant speed and not target..)

That said, it's be *realllly* weak to burn I think; which is entertaining; but then it'd probably be Channel + Sneak or Channel + S&T; so you're not accomplishing much other than making a difficult-to-interact-with deck even more diverse and difficult to deal with.

[Quasim0ff]

Also let's be fair: even with paying 15 life, hardcasting Emrakul is *far* more powerful. Can't be answered by ORing, Karakas, Liliana, or various other tricks; all the while they could be holding their Counters up for the answer you're trying to use (which has to be instant speed and not target..)

That said, it's be *realllly* weak to burn I think; which is entertaining; but then it'd probably be Channel + Sneak or Channel + S&T; so you're not accomplishing much other than making a difficult-to-interact-with deck even more diverse and difficult to deal with.

I'm fairly certain a t1/t2 Emrakul/Karn+Golems w/o using blue cards in the combo (for REBS) won't be so weak against burn, as expected.

[rufus]

It does take some setup to play Channel > Griselbrand.

Like... Elvish Spirit Guide > Manamorphose > Manamorphose + some sort of mox...

Back in the stone age, I had a dopey deck that did Channel + Initiates of the Ebon Hand + double Drain Life.