How did you feel about the Council's Judgment? I always felt like it was a worse answer to planeswalkers than a maindeck Clique.Originally Posted by Ticalstal
It's not only for planeswalkers, though. Sometimes you hit a planewalker, sometimes you take out a sword, a goyf or an opposing Counterbalance :)
How about opponent's TNN? How about avoiding all the Vine's non-sense and actually deal with infect creature when you don't have mass removal? How about actually dealing with SoFI?
Its definitely clunky and not a card I'm in love with but as others mentioned, its a nice "catch-all" for stuff that's harder to deal with main deck (or stuff you weren't prepared for in the sideboard) that can be flashed back with snapcaster. Planeswalkers were not as scary with MD mentor but being able to take out a equipment or true name (without using terminus) is nice.
I took it out on MTGO during the dig through time era since 90% of the decks online were dig through time decks or burn so I could see it out in the right meta.
The deck was pretty awesome for me all tournament long and I really liked the numbers I played and sb cards I registered.
For the record, I didn't shuffle away a terminus (it was a Japanese rest in peace) :-)
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I managed to make Top8 again at the Eternal Clash #6 in Northern Germany after winning it last time with Miracles.
Here is my report: https://bordifies.com/articles/leavi...nal-clash-com/
List I played:
Creatures (5)
2 Monastery Mentor
3 Snapcaster Mage
Instants (14)
2 Counterspell
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
4 Swords to Plowshares
Sorceries (9)
1 Council's Judgment
1 Entreat the Angels
3 Terminus
4 Ponder
Enchantments (4)
4 Counterbalance
Planeswalkers (3)
3 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Artifacts (4)
4 Sensei's Divining Top
Lands (21)
2 Arid Mesa
2 Plains
3 Island
3 Tundra
3 Volcanic Island
4 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
Sideboard (15)
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Pyroblast
2 Wear // Tear
1 Blood Moon
1 Containment Priest
2 Vendilion Clique
1 Rest In Peace
3 Flusterstorm
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Terminus
Congrats. on Top 8 at the GP, Mr. Demars. While that's great, the semi-final did feel like you got crushed in a spectacular fashion when you were supposedly favored. That Game one opening with one-fetchland and SDT was... odd to say the least.
Believe me, I wish I would have had stronger hands in that top 8 match. I'm never going to ship a hand that has a land and a Top on a mulligan to six. It was annoying that I couldn't ever find the second land but that's Magic for you. The other game I got to look at like 15 cards and never saw a Top or a Terminus.
I think that Miracles is slightly favored in the match up but I think it is very close. The match up certainly isn't easy and there are a lot of ways the draws can line up that that heavily favor one deck or the other. I added the Blood Moons to the sideboard because I actually felt the match up was pretty difficult, especially with the Lands player getting access to lots of Krosan Grips post sideboard.
Hey all. After an 8/9 months hiatus from Mtg, yesterday I had the chance to play in a 6 swiss turns, 40 player events. What to bring? Miracles, of course.
I was playing the 4 ponders list since, well, forever, I think I was in the first ''wave'' of people advocating 4 Ponders. Normally, 9 months ago I wouldn't have played 4 Counterbalance but a quick check on tcdecks revealed me Tempo decks and Miracles are two of the main choices, and slamming CB in those matchups is mandatory. So I said, let's check some Miracles stocklists and to my great relieve the only substantial change I saw was -2 Miracles +2 Mentors, and of course eschewing 2 Rebs now that the dumb draw spells are banned, in favor of more generic Counterspells. I thought about that back when I heard about the announcement but I was in favor of Spell Snares at the time, and sincerely I still am a bit on the fence on CSpell since I still think it's slow when Delver decks are one of the major contender. Nevertheless, I ended up sleeving 2.
maindeck
Current Mentor stocklist, with three JTMS and 3/1 Miracles setup. Except that I never liked the third Volcanic and I think it's not really useful, if not straight suboptimal since we don't have Explosives or any red card maindeck, and postboard we never use red mana more than once or twice for the occasional couple of Rebs. So I play:
3 Tundra
2 Volcs
4 Flooded
4 Scalding
2 Arid
4 Island
2 Plains
And this has been my configuration of choice since, well, more than 3 years :D.
SB:
3 Red Elemental Blast
2 Wear // Tear
3 Vendilion Clique
1 Rest In Peace
2 Flusterstorm
1 Izzet Staticaster
1 Pyroclasm
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Grafdigger's Cage
Staticaster and Pyroclasm have been staples in my sideboard since forever. They're amazing and if you're not playing them in a open varied meta you're doing it wrong. Grafdigger was there to diversify grave hate mainly. Had to move the two maindeck Reb to the sb. The rest of the choices are pretty self explanatory, with the exception of eschewing the 3rd Flusterstorm- I think it's not needed unless you are meta calling a combo oriented metagame- but again, this is personal preference.
R1 Bant Blade W 1-0
R2 Mentor Miracle W 2-1
R3 Canadian Thresh W 2-1
R4 Infect L 1-2
R5 Affinity L 1-2 (I know, I know)
R6 Grixis Pyromancer W 2-0
Top8: Burn W 2-0
and then had to drop because it was too late for my driver :D We splitted in top8 anyways.
Deck felt smooth as always and I love the Mentors and definitely will play them again. While I played it only twice vs. burn and once vs. Canadian, I liked to think that I always had another angle of attack which is not setting up a clunky miracle card that needed a Top to be exploited to it's full potential. I still miss the 4th Terminus though.
Last edited by kiblast; 11-17-2015 at 07:41 AM.
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You might want to reread Grafdigger's Cage...
The main reason for playing 3 Volcanic Island is against decks playing Wasteland. Wear//Tear and Izzet Staticaster are needed for DxT. Wear//Tear also comes in against Shardless BUG,Punishing Blue, Delver decks.. I've had multiple situations where that 3th Volcanic Island was needed.
Pyroclasm kills 80% of the threaths of the decks you mentioned.
It's at its maximum power imho at the moment.
To play 2 of them I am out of Clique and Venser (just Mentor and Angels)
Hey guys Ive recently picked up this deck and having some trouble with Merflok with MB chalice and shardless Bug any advice on how to play and board against them?
Thanks in advance!
You need something like Peacekeeper in order to beat merfolk, this matchup is atrocious without something like that (Or something similar, like Llawan)
Shardless bug just takes familiarity with the matchup. No generel advice. Some people board out CounterBalance, some people overload it.
(*Inb4 Poron: Just play Pyroclasm, it kills them all dead)
Yeah I know about that, that's why I usually fetch the Volc when I need it, in order to save it for the right moment when I need to cast Wear or Staticaster. Also the spells you mentioned are instant speed, so the only real downside is Pyroclasm being a sorcery.
I had multiple situations as well where I was forced to keep a Volc in my starting 7 and had one mana cut away due to Wasteland. And in my experience that happens way more than having your opponent using two Wastelands on your two Volcanics postboard, specially if you are moderately smart with your fetches.
Regarding the Grafdigger, yeah, after 9 months not playing it looks I'm a bit rusty :D
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Containment Priest, Wear/Tear, 3 Rebs, 3 Snapmage, 4 StP, 4 Terminus.
Problems with Merfolk? it's the very same as Elves...
Have you played the matchup?
It's so far from Elves, it's not even funny...
it's a whack-a-mole matchup.
Every creature is a threath, but they have no removals and if you counter/destroy/needle their Vial, it's pretty much a slow deck..
Anyway yes, if you have the spot for a Peacekeeper it surely helps a lot. I don't play Pyroblast MD anymore, so my SB is veery stretched.
Thanks guys guess i might be just playing the deck wrong still new to it. was playing jeskai and esper stoneblade before I swapped over to miracles.
Don't listen to Poron. Merfolk is a lot more difficult than Elves. Chalice, Cavern, Vial, Mutavault, and TNN are all problematic. On top of that, they run countermagic for your Terminus. I've had the most success against them when I can turn the corner very quickly, and Mentor can help with this.
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