[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

[Echelon]

Lol, you lazy person. Did you really have to quote his entire post ;-P

@ Echelon: Thnx for the report. Great result. I take it you where at Magic United montly? I am surpised that there is more NicFit action going on.

@ Empath, blood crawls where it cant go huh.
@ GSZ f 4, Obviously going for beatdown in favor of "tech" is often better and might be on a (slighly) favored boardstate. Having access to other functionality is still your lifeboat.
@ Courser, glad to hear he did solid work for you. It is one of the most undervalued cards NicFit (and other archetypes) have access to.

Other question; did you play Elves at the Spellenspektakelbeurs a month ago?

To answer your questions:
- Yes I was . There's usually at least 1 person on Nic Fit there.
- Yes, it does. I just love going Empath -> Diabolic Intent. Nobody'll ever take that from me, lol. I've been doing it for over 10 years now so it's not something I'll abandon easily.
- Yes, it is good sir! A lifeboat with big friggin' guns!
- I'm never, ever taking Courser out of that 60. Especially since I really need that CA/selection b/c I don't run Tops/Libraries

No, I missed that tournament. I normally attend the Magic United monthlies .

[sdematt]

Page 126? I did eventually find it, but you wasted about 2 minutes of my time having me find it :P At what I charge for my time, you owe me $16 :P

Nice list. You don't miss Decay?

-Matt

[Echelon]

Thank you!

No, not really. The only things I'd really want to Decay (that I can't kill with Pernicious Deed/Path to Exile or that would just be more convenient) are Lilliana, Counterbalance and Chalice of the Void. Besides, every counter cast to counter a removal spell is another counter they can't cast to stop a Rhino/whatever. After which you have Eternal Witness and buddies to start recycling stuff. It's not that we, on average, don't gain enough life to soak up a few hits while durdling.

On the other hand, saturday I learned that tossing Rhinoes at Lilliana more often than not makes her kill herself (and is another case where fetch -> Dryad Arbor comes in quite handy) and Counterbalance and Chalice are answerable in different ways, but those just stop your growth for a number of turns.

Let's just keep it at that I didn't lose a single match b/c I had a card in my hand that should have been an Abrupt Decay.

I might want a Maelstrom Pulse or Vindicate somewhere, though. But maybe just in the SB. 4 mana Jace is a bastard. Although Dragonlord Dromoka almost had him kill himself as well, lol.

[Bobmans]

I might want a Maelstrom Pulse or Vindicate somewhere, though. But maybe just in the SB. 4 mana Jace is a bastard. Although Dragonlord Dromoka almost had him kill himself as well, lol.

I think Vindicate might be the better option here since it can hit Karakas. Running that number of Legendary creatures can make Karakas a nightmare i think.

[Echelon]

I think Vindicate might be the better option here since it can hit Karakas. Running that number of Legendary creatures can make Karakas a nightmare i think.

Meh, just GSZ for Rhino. Or wait a turn and GSZ for Sigarda. You don't have to care.

But you are right! Cornercases matter!

On a side note, I just thought of the following: Karador, Ghost Chieftain + Shriekmaw = 1B: Destroy target non-artifact, non-black creature. Use this ability only once per turn and only at any time you can cast a sorcery.

Upsides:
- It requires two cards less than Eternal Witness + Phyrexian Tower + Path to Exile.
- It requires less mana than above loop.

Downsides:
- You can't GSZ for Shriekmaw
- It can't kill Gurmag Angler/Tasigur/DRS/mirror-stuff
- It can't kill artifact creatures (though we have Qasali Pride Mage for that, which can be GSZ'd)
- Doesn't recur when using Meren. All though, with Meren it'd take Shriekmaw + Phyrexian Tower to create the loop. So that's still 1 card less then the Eternal Witness loop. But the Witness loop kills anything from Llanowar Elves to Tasigur to Blightsteel Colossus.

I dunno, it's probably too cute.

Another option would be Multani's Acolyte. If it's good enough for Elves! (in a slightly different setting), why shouldn't it be good enough for us. When combined with Meren/Karador, it turns into a nice Phyrexian Arena of sorts.

Upsides:
- It replaces itself
- It can be GSZ'd
- It's kind enough to die on its own accord
- It's real CA when used with either engine

Downsides:
- It's just poor on its own (without Meren/Karador)
- It doesn't influence the board state

So... Thoughts, anyone?

[Bobmans]

Spoiler of Oath:
Mina and Denn, Wildborn
Cost (2)RG
Legendary Creature - Elf Ally
4/4
Ability: You may play an additional land each of your turns.
RG, return a land you control to it's owners hand: target creature gains Trample until ens of turn.

Scapewish came to mind immediatly. Also it can protect your lands against wasteland. And it is bolt/decay proof and zenithable.

This card next to Courser of Kruphix ^_^

[Echelon]

That's a nice toy for Jund Fit!

[Bobmans]

That's a nice toy for Jund Fit!

For Scape yes, for PFire i am not convinced yet. Seems like a winmore next to Hunmaster and Meren and Courser in PFire.

[Echelon]

For Scape yes, for PFire i am not convinced yet. Seems like a winmore next to Hunmaster and Meren and Courser in PFire.

Two words. Gaea's Cradle! Just add in Primeval Titan to fetch up Kessig Wolf Run and a Dryad Arbor.

[Xod]

We have a local league and after 9 evenings we play a top 8.

I won that top 8 this Friday with the following list:

3 Veteran Explorer
3 DRS
1 Scooze
1 Qasali
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
3 Siege Rhino
1 Thragtusk
1 Sigarda

4 Cabal Therapy
2 Painful Truths
4 GSZ
3 Top
1 Sylvan Library

3 Pernicious Deed
1 Toxic Deluge
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Vindicate
2 Path to Exile

4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
2 Savannah
1 Taiga
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plain
1 Volrath's Stronghold
1 Phyrexian Tower

Sideboard:
1 Teeg
1 Krosan Grip
3 Duress
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Slaughter Games
2 Engineered Plague
2 Pithing Needle
1 Choke
1 Batterskull

Normally had a golgari charm in there and other stuff, but it did it's thing.

I build the sideboard 1 hour before the top8, needs some work. (and I need some extra cards) Ordered another toxic deluge to replace 1 Pernicious Deed.

I faced Merfolk (guy that normally plays BUG, but was affraid that I would bring Blood Moon, my removal package did the works, plus Engineered Plague)
Some Monastery Mentor build. The guy normally only plays ANT, so I was glad to face this deck, was the most exiting round of the evening, last game, was 1-1, he was on 4 lifes, with Jace ready to ultimate, and I played a slaughtergames just to remove counterspells so that my sigarda would land (was destroyed with supreme verdict, got it back with volrath's stronghold), forgot that slaughtergames was my last card in hand, played sigarda, go. He ultimated, I had nothing in hand, stupid me..., luckily, I thought about it in time and in my upkeep I returned a Scooze on top of my library with the stronghold, drew it, attacked for lethal. He Nihil spellbombed me a bit earlier but I saved this game thanks to a Painful Truth not much after that.
The final was against my friend who played True-name Nemesis Helpdesk (recently top8'ed and he top8'ed with it as well on a tournament a week earlier) again a very tight game.

MVP's of the night:
- Swagtusk (against plainswalkers, he's the sh*t, removal on him, still leaves a body, plus I GSZ him when I'm desperatly in need of life and will be facing removal, otherwise it's sigarda, when I don't need life but facing removal and otherwise it's the rhino)
- Sigarda
- and Siege Rhino of course
- Engineered Plague (naming Merfolk, Monks, Merfolk)

Meren didn't live long, but always replaced herself, got a Rhino back, a Qasali against all those artifact. Got swords everytime. Mostly only AFTER I got a card back. Which was good since the swords was wasted on her and not on the rhino.

[Bobmans]

Two words. Gaea's Cradle! Just add in Primeval Titan to fetch up Kessig Wolf Run and a Dryad Arbor.

I might have to mention that the creature type is: Elf Ally
#Elfball

[Echelon]

Meh, for 4 mana I'd just as well cast Natural Order.

Anyways... What are your thoughts on Merens/Karadors potential play buddies?

[rubblekill]

Meh, for 4 mana I'd just as well cast Natural Order.

Anyways... What are your thoughts on Merens/Karadors potential play buddies?

In my personal opinion it is too cute and requires too many stars to align to work.
I am starting to feel like, in this thread, I am the guy that ruins the party. That is because I am inclined to avoid cool legends and less-consistent-but cool interactions.

[Echelon]

In my personal opinion it is too cute and requires too many stars to align to work.
I am starting to feel like, in this thread, I am the guy that ruins the party. That is because I am inclined to avoid cool legends and less-consistent-but cool interactions.

You're the guy suggesting Chains of Mephistoles and several planeswalkers on the previous page. I don't think the image you have of yourself is correct.

[rubblekill]

You're the guy suggesting Chains of Mephistoles and several planeswalkers on the previous page. I don't think the image you have of yourself is correct.

I believe it is a better sideboard option. However I do not think that that interaction is what we want to be doing. No hard feelings dude.

E: I dont see anything weird playing pw, especially in the online meta

[Echelon]

No hard feelings dude.

I'm a honey badger. Take from that what you will.

[Bobmans]

We have a local league and after 9 evenings we play a top 8.

I won that top 8 this Friday with the following list:

Meren didn't live long, but always replaced herself, got a Rhino back, a Qasali against all those artifact. Got swords everytime. Mostly only AFTER I got a card back. Which was good since the swords was wasted on her and not on the rhino.

Grats on your result. Keep it up. And thanks for your sharing your experience with Meren.

[Bobmans]

11-04-2016:
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Punishing Fire
1 Maelstrom Pulse

3 Liliana of the Veil

4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Painful Truth's

1 Taiga
1 Badlands
2 Bayou
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Forest
2 Swamp
1 Mountain
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Volrath's Stronghold
2 Wooded Foothills
4 Verdant Catacombs

SB: 2 Deathrite Shaman
SB: 1 Kolaghan's Command
SB: 1 Garruk Relentless
SB: 2 Golgari Charm
SB: 1 Toxic Deluge
SB: 3 Slaughter Games
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
SB: 1 Pithing Needle


DP warning. After some tinkering i have settled for a PFire list. Coming weekend i'll be taking it out for a spin and tomorrow some testing with a friend. Not sure if he's gonna play RG Lands or Ubg Turbo Depth's, but it will be very hard to win from. Next to this some games against BUG Delver, the always interesting grindy MU. But what is not with PFire NicFit...

I have settled for 2x Stormbreath Dragon in favor of Thrun and Primeval Titan. That means i have to run 2 basic mountains. Also in previous testing of SBD i found that with a 22 land manabase of which 2 lands are colorless it put to much strain on it and i wish there was a 23th land. Because Meren showed up, i am gonna test running 7 basics and not bringing Volrath's Stronghold. The biggest benefit of SDB in favor of Thrun and PrimeTime is it's combination of Haste, Flying and Protection from white, which makes it strong against both Swords to Plowshares and Liliana/Jace. Aside from those, there are few decks that have to tools to effectively deal with SDB and most of the times resolving them results in a win.

[Echelon]

DP warning.

That means something very different to those with a dirty mind.

Also, you're too light on initial black manasources. I only count 11 where you'd want 14. You could switch a Forest for a Swamp (at least when counting initial sources. You've got a very demanding list with GG, BB and RR among the costs). And perhaps cut down on a Grove of the Burning Willies for a Badlands (you can't go any lower on initial red sources but gain enough life with DRS/Scavenging Ooze to trigger PFires) or an extra fetchland. That would get you up to 13 initial black sources while keeping the other sources on par.

[sdematt]

DP warning. After some tinkering i have settled for a PFire list. Coming weekend i'll be taking it out for a spin and tomorrow some testing with a friend. Not sure if he's gonna play RG Lands or Ubg Turbo Depth's, but it will be very hard to win from. Next to this some games against BUG Delver, the always interesting grindy MU. But what is not with PFire NicFit...

I have settled for 2x Stormbreath Dragon in favor of Thrun and Primeval Titan. That means i have to run 2 basic mountains. Also in previous testing of SBD i found that with a 22 land manabase of which 2 lands are colorless it put to much strain on it and i wish there was a 23th land. Because Meren showed up, i am gonna test running 7 basics and not bringing Volrath's Stronghold. The biggest benefit of SDB in favor of Thrun and PrimeTime is it's combination of Haste, Flying and Protection from white, which makes it strong against both Swords to Plowshares and Liliana/Jace. Aside from those, there are few decks that have to tools to effectively deal with SDB and most of the times resolving them results in a win.


3 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
2 Huntmaster of the Fells
1 Thragtusk
2 Stormbreath Dragon

4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top

4 Cabal Therapy
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Punishing Fire
1 Maelstrom Pulse

3 Liliana of the Veil

4 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Phyrexian Tower
2 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Badlands
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Mountain
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Bloodstained Mire

SB: 2 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 3 Slaughter Games
SB: 2 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Blood Moon
SB: 2 Golgari Charm
SB: 1 Kolaghan's Command
SB: 1 Reclamation Sage

I was just thinking about Dragon again. It's hard fitting in all the sweet cards, but this has most of everything that I want. I might personally shave a Liliana for a Truths and try to squeeze in that new Elf. Definitely worth trying.