For the folks that run Hapless researcher, do you only cut ponders for it? If I did that I'd only have room for 2 of at this time.
I'm on the fence with running this Four Color build.
This is my tentative build if I ran no hapless.
Creatures (8)
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 Empyrial Archangel
1 Tidespout Tyrant
3 Griselbrand
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
Spells (34)
2 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Careful Study
4 Entomb
4 Reanimate
1 Animate Dead
3 Izzet Charm
4 Exhume
2 Show and Tell
2 Misdirection
4 Force of Will
Lands (18)
1 Bayou
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Tropical Island
2 Badlands
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Scalding Tarn
4 Polluted Delta
4 Underground Sea
Sideboard (15)
1 Chain of Vapor
2 Flusterstorm
2 Pithing Needle
4 Thoughtseize
1 Echoing Truth
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Grave Titan
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
I hate ponder in Reanimator. It's a durdle-do-nothing. I played it in the list I played at GP SeaTac and I would now run 4 Hapless, 4 Study, 4 Izzet Charm and a minimum of 2x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy before ever considering a 1st Ponder.
Having said that, I don't know about the list you posted as to what I would do, I've never owned SnT and therefore have never played it. I might get a couple for Christmas, but I have 0.00 playtime with the card. I'm interested, but that's where it ends.
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I wouldn't play Show and Tell in this deck. Your aim in this deck is to reanimate a target as fast as possible. Therefore you have to put it into the graveyard and cannot keep it in hand. Furthermore it is possible that you have the creature in hand to SnT but it is the one you dont want for this match-up.
Because of that reason i would not play SnT
Cockatrice: Deckerator
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Death&Taxes
I'll be playing the 4c build with Baby Jaces in the main today at the SCG Denver Legacy 5k.
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Uggh. 1-3 drop. Report later this week (probably).
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I played Reaniderp in a 50 person local today that was on the twitch. Team Tusk and Gigabytes present the Quarterly thing Event. I played this list
1 Grave Titan
2 Hapless Researcher
1 Tidespout Tyrant
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
3 Griselbrand
1 Jace, Vyrns Prodigy
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Island
2 Swamp
1 Bayou
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
1 Tropical Island
2 Underground Sea
3 Lotus Petal
1 Animate Dead
4 Brainstorm
3 Daze
4 Entomb
4 Force of Will
4 Careful Study
4 Exhume
4 Reanimate
2 Show and Tell
1 Thoughtseize
Sideboard
2 Pithing Needle
1 Inkwell Leviathan
3 Abrupt Decay
1 Echoing Truth
1 Massacre
2 Thoughtseize
2 Duress
1 Rushing River
1 Flusterstorm
1 Darkblast
RD1- Brian P. - 4 Color Esper with Skeletal Scrying. 2-1
RD2- Josh H. - 3 Color Enchantress. 2-0
RD3- Andrew W. - 4 Color Aluren. 0-2 ( Bad Keeps )
RD4- Shitty Gavin. - Grixis Delver. 1-2 ( All dem Dazes )
RD5- James H. - Shitty Shardless. 2-0
RD6- Jeremy P. - Anarchy Control with Lava Spike. 2-0
Ended up 4-2. 10th Place. Good for a Plateau. Sold said land for 45 cash. Ate all you can eat BBQ. Broke Even on the day.
Deck is a pile of derp. Felt fine, Didnt want to play the Izzet Charm list. Probably wont play the deck again until I need to derp on people. Good Day.
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Originally Posted by nedleeds
I went 2-0-1 in a double elimination event to split at the last round to avoid facing him twice.
I used the four color reanimator list, I wasn't impressed with the differences. Izzet charm never came into play but the one thing I will take from Chase's list that the 2nd misdirection really does help.
2-0 Nourishing Lich
2-1 Maverick
I was incredibly lucky vs the maverick player and I didn't want to push my luck facing him again.
How many and which fatties do you think are optimal?
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4 Griselbrand, 1 Iona, 1 Elesh, 1 Tidespout, 1 Grave Titan Imo
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Soldier Stompy
7-8 in the main and 1-3 in the side, depending on how nuanced and silver bullet-y you want to get.
At this point we can all see that Girselbrand, Elesh Norn and Tidespout Tyrant are autoinclude in the main. I recommend having a non-legendary offensive card like Grave Titan or Inkwell Leviathan or Sphinx of the Steel Wind in the main as well, extras in the side. Everything else ends up based on what decks do you want to beat; Iona for colors, Sire of Insanity for hands, Blazing Archon for attacks, Empyrial Archangel for damage and so on. Decks I expect more or cards that get fringe benefits against general population decks end up in the main and the rest get sideboard slots.
So as an example, I ran Sire of Insanity expressly for OmniTell, and because I expected a lot of it, and it did good work against storm and any other deck if landed swiftly enough, he got main board positioning. Now that OmniTell is dead, he's more of a super silver bullet against decks I don't expect to see often, so he'll either be in the sideboard, or not at all.
Sire is very nice against a field of storm. :)
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Yeah I thought the same as you, I really like Sire vs Storm, but in my last games vs Storm I realized all those games I won with Sire could've been the same if i jammed Iona or went for Griselbrand and drawed into FOW. Don't get me wrong, I think the card is really good against Storm, but I think your dudes already fair well aginst them. Sire is horrible against anything else if you jam it after t2. Thats why i moved it to the board and put Grave Titan MD.
Also I know a lot of you guys hate SnT a lot and I completely understand it, but at least in my meta I've gotten good results running them and I wouldn't replace them.
Here's what I'm trying out Saturday at a small tournament:
Md: 60
2 Hapless Researcher
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Grave Titan
1 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobyte
1 Archetype of Endurance
1 Tidespout Tyrant
3 Griselbrand
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Animate Dead
4 Exhume
4 Reanimate
4 Entomb
2 Lim-Dul's Vault
4 Careful Study
3 Izzet Charm
2 Thoughtseize
1 Misdirection
4 Force of Will
4 Brainstorm
4 Polluted Delta
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Underground Sea
2 Badlands
2 Tropical Island
1 Island
1 Swamp
Sb: 15
1 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Ashen Rider
1 Coffin Purge
1 Engineered Explosives
1 Massacre
2 Pithing Needle
2 Echoing Truth
3 Abrupt Decay
2 ???
If I need another land, I'll go up to 61, and it'll be an Underground Sea. I'm not sure what the last 2x slots should be. Any suggestions or glaring omissions?
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Why the SB Jace it feels like either you 1-4x it mainboard since the grave hate is going to further invalidate the card. The 2 ??? slots I'd put additional thoughtseizes or duress. LDV feels weird, it doesn't replace itself on the combo turn so you'd have to use it in conjunction with a cantrip or on opponent's EOT. The life loss I found was neglible in the tin fins deck due to Children but in Reanimator the 1-2 life loss can add up preventing you from reanimating Russel Brand. Also since you are running a slower list, you could also consider pernicious deed for more sweeping pain.
@Secretly.A.Bee: I have to agree with Nuke that Lim-Dul's Vault looks bad.
It's a lot more durdly than Ponder, doesn't replace itself and UB is pretty expensive.
For such an effect I'd much rather try Personal Tutor first, since it costs a full mana less so it's a LOT faster, and it can fetch us a discard outlet, a reanimation spell, a discard spell or Show and Tell if you need it. It only doesn't get us Entomb or a creature, which for me was enough reason to not yet have tested it, but if I weigh pro's and con's, I feel Personal Tutor would be better than Vault.
This all said, I'd probably prefer Ponder to either.
@ LDV: It's nice to hear feedback and I appreciate your opinions, however, I started as a tin fins player and as such I have some solid face time with the card, as well as already having run several goldfish sessions in this build. I'm looking at putting a Duress and another Animate Dead in the board currently, but there is an argument to be made for a second Massacre as well.
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I'm not sure what you gain by LDV, you can definitely cheat on sideboard cards to find just the one you need, but you're also going to be losing a good deal of life when really digging. A powerful effect, but one you kind of need to pair with some kind of card advantage like dark confidant [unplayable for us], flip-jace, or something like dakmor salvage [dump 2 critters in the yard with the dredge] to name a few.
For the same cost and speed, Dimir Charm might be better and gives us some big game versus SDT/counterbalance.
So earlier ppl were talking about Show and Tell... For me SnT is a side board card that can come in handy when battling grave hate. You obviously wouldn't bring it in against Sneak and Show, Tin Fins, etc.. But it can be a life savor. I'm confused by these 4 color list. What's wrong with good ol fashion blue/black? I tried abrupt decay and I feel blue bounce is far superior. Have you ever brought in abrupt decay and had your opponent slam a leyline to start game 2? I also don't get Sire of Insanity... I've watched storm players cringe when I play Ruric Thar. The game is literally over and IF they can interact with it they at least take 6. Im playing a cash tourney on Sunday at my LGS and I know Storm will be there. Probably Elves, Painter, Lands, Aggro Loam, BUG, etc... My sideboard consist of:
2 Show and Tell
2 Pithing Needle
2 Disfigure
2 Massacre
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Echoing Truth
3 Duress
1 Ruric Thar
1 Ashen Rider
Yes this is 17 so my conundrum is what to cut?
Btw I play a standard blue/black deck list that runs lotus petals, thoughtseizes, and ponders with all the usual stuff.
if i were you i would cut the 2x Chain of Vapor. I dont like this card because it is only good at the beginning of the matches. Later, if you have already reanimated a creature it is crap because you dont wana get your creature bounced. For this reason you play 2x Echoing Truth and i think this is enough.
How good is Ruric Thar for you? In what kind of matches do you board him?
Do you play two more SnT in the mainboard?
Ruric can also double up against delver decks and combo. This may be better than sphinx since it has a slightly larger application.
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