Doing the deed ;-) So yes, sir.Originally Posted by rubblekill
Final list. Changes, got Courser over KotR. I have this feeling that Courser works better in the deck on overall. During testing i had a bit of trouble getting KotR bigger without messing with the manabase. Plus i needed to eat lands for DRS.
Liliana on the board. I really want to play her against combo and big dudes decks.
3 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Thragtusk
1 Sun Titan
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Karakas
1 Phyrexian Tower
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
3 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Windswept Heath
Sb
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Carpet of Flowers
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Golgari charm
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Pithing Needle
Kagu-Tsuchi カグツチ (Jund NicFit)
Rhino's Abbondanza (Junk NicFit)
4c Aggro Loam
Why you play sun titan?
I dont like him too much, in my oppinion too much condition to work well... can u explain this pick?
I think grave is just ... less depended and faster killer
The invitational was just a top 16, single elimination. There were no rounds before that.
@Nargoron: Sun Titan plays well with Pernicious Deed.
Sun Titan indeed works well with Deeds, but also with E.Witness, DRS, SFM (even just to shuffle). And what about Liliana, Qasali or Gaddock Teek from the board. That card provides control, in such a way that it will take complete control of the game. That's how i like to play NicFit, forcing complete control over the board, rather then squeezing thru damage. Plus that 6/6 Vigilance is already powerful on it's own. Only thing is i have no way to fetch it, but games that go long it will eventually show up. And when it does...
Also i am not that afraid of gravehate because that is something you can either combat or ignore as a whole depending on how the gravehate is integrated in the opposing deck.
Kagu-Tsuchi カグツチ (Jund NicFit)
Rhino's Abbondanza (Junk NicFit)
4c Aggro Loam
My only problem is that he is definitely too slow and against stp.dec (->miracles) he isn't really useful because they exile bounce or terminus our creatures, sometimes they even board in rip. That's the reason meren is removed in the sb games against decks with stp. Plus he can't be gsz and doesn't defend himself. Sunny T seems good against GBx decks instead, it could very well be a meta choice imo: if the meta is dominated by control I'd play a walker instead of him, otherwise he can be a powerful top of the mana curve vs fair decks
Against StP.dec or Miracles i have Sigarda, Thrun and Thragtusk. Meren is a less solid choice against those indeed, aswell as S.Titan. But after boarding we get some juice in return. Gaddock Teeg, Liliana, Qasali, Carpet, Surgical Extraction are fine cards to play instead. Also i am expecting Elves, Infect and Shardless so there it will hold a lot more value. And the array of decks vary to much to make a solid prediction. We have various tools to combat most of the field with some options stronger then others. Having that said, i prefer the utility and flexibility provided at the cost of not being green over the dumbness/attack power of DLD or Grave Titan (which is also not green).
Kagu-Tsuchi カグツチ (Jund NicFit)
Rhino's Abbondanza (Junk NicFit)
4c Aggro Loam
I can imagine, how i am able to deed board every turn with mighty titan...
On the other hand, i can imagine, how i am desperatly searching in grave something useful...
Like witness, you have to play something what you need before... and this is an condition
DtS or Ooze can make your titan just overpriced 6/6 dude...
and iam facing often gravehate cards with nic fit
condition, condition...
And this is the reason why iam not fun of sun titan... :(
Maybe with some grave support like Satyr Wayfinder?
Pimpin' ain't easy, boys.
Merry Christmas, you filthy Veteran Exploring-playin' peeps.
-Matt
I can't deny that I laughed, audibly.
Accordingly to our philosophy of dropping bombs on the field, you have hung that serious bomb on that mafakin' tree. Sometimes a rhino isn't classy enough.
Merry Christmas to you, fellow jank enthusiast, we all appreciate you for your work here.
-Francis
@Matt, I'm currently really sad because I'm missing the joke. I can't see a magic card or anything that resembles a magic reference on that tree. Can some one be a team player and tell me what I'm missing! Or is it just a happy tree?
@Echelon, congrats, sounds like good times were had :)
@Everyone, happy holidays! I've ordered myself some Alpha Tsunamis and some Apac / Euro basic lands, I hope Santa is equally or more generous to the rest of ya!
Have you not seen the big red PORSCHE ball hung on that goddamn tree?!? The man is clearly living the dream of being a pimp Magic: The Gathering player, I'm sure there is some piece of power inside the damn ball :)
@Matt, I'm currently really sad because I'm missing the joke. I can't see a magic card or anything that resembles a magic reference on that tree. Can some one be a team player and tell me what I'm missing! Or is it just a happy tree?
@Echelon, congrats, sounds like good times were had :)
@Everyone, happy holidays! I've ordered myself some Alpha Tsunamis and some Apac / Euro basic lands, I hope Santa is equally or more generous to the rest of ya!
Some offense taken... I've only been on the stoneforge package for over a year. I'll keep my experience and tech to myself and let the modern crossover players figure it out for themselves... it seems to take a long time for people to get on board with my contributions like pte and storm breath.
I will say this tho if I were to take the deck down a 4 stoneforge route id be looking at 2 skull 1 jitte 1 sofi and a nahiri, with more intents then zeniths.
Haha, my apologies, I didn't realised you were God's gift to Nic Fit.
And no offense was taken (why do people assume someone is offended?), you just stated that something was fact, when it's an opinion. I disagree with that opinion, seems reasonable enough.
And for what it's worth, I've also been playing SFM in Nic Fit for over a year... So I don't know Uncletiggy, I guess we shall both have to stop educating the masses of unappreciative plebs crossing over from modern, or something.
@rubblekill, ooohhhhhhh I seeeeeeee, I was looking for a Russian Cabal Therapy hanging somewhere XD
Edit for Uncletiggys edit: I disagree, I run 4 gsuns and would never run less, they find your vets and your sword carriers. I also run 1-2 diabolic intents and wouldn't run more than 2 anyways. One Batterskull is enough and I've never really found a Nahiri to be good enough for the 5 mana investment, maybe out of the sideboard though in anticipation for their artifact removal in grinder matchups.
Never said I was gods gift to anything its just that thrun is the only form of trolling I appreciate...
You should try Troll Ascetic, he's a cheaper date ;)
Thrun has a pimp cane tho he's buying ;)
First things first, congrats to Echelon for making Top4.
So, as I said I played against various decks in a non-tournement environment 2 days ago. Tried a list similar to the one that Nargoron posted on p.141, but with the following changes:
- 1 Siege Rhino
- 1 Sylvan Library
- 1 Courser of Kruphix
- 1 Toxic Deluge
- 1 Karakas
- 1 Phyrexian Tower
+ 1 Vraska (pet card, but serious.. sometimes this card is bonkers)
+ 1 Swords to Plowshares
+ 1 Deed
+ 2 Painful Truths
+ 1 Forest
Didn't take notes, but I just want to share some thoughts anyhow.
1. First match was against Mono Red Stompy. My opponent had not played a single game of mtg for about half a year and never faced Nic Fit before. As in many matchups, Pernicious Deed is key here. Swords were important too, especially on Hound of Griselbrand. Otherwise, they suck against my main enemy called Stormbreath Dragon. 4/4 flying haste protection from white is pretty effective against us.
G2 this Dragon solely puts me down to 7 life, and he was 1 mana short to make it monstrous to kill me next turn. I had Sigarda zenithed out the turn before and top decked.... Sword of Fire and Ice! Play, equip, attack for exact 7+2 damage. 2:0!
This beeing the first match with SoFaI main. Totally worth it.
2. The next 4 games were against Death n' Taxes. The fact that I saw his playset maindeck Revokers not more than 2 times says it all. Won all games, but I feel stabilizing/ finding the right removal the right time is often just luck dependant. Tops + shuffle and Painful Truths help here. Otherwise two of these games I was at 3 life without ever having the fear of loosing control at any time.
Sidenote: Thought about siding out Meren here, as he plays a set of Swords to Plowshares. But I wanted to test her in the different matchups and was rewarded, as she singlehandedly broke board symmetry one game when she wasn't handled for about 4 turns.
3. RUG Delver. I hate this matchup, even though its mostly positive. Lost 2:0. G1 a well timed Wasteland + a misplay of mine when not paying 2 mana for Spell Pierce on Cabal Therapy to grab his Stifle were game.
G2 his hand was kind of Stifle, BS, Goyf, Submerge, Submerge, Wasteland, Tropical. Felt unwinnable.
4. Against Goblins. G1 t1 blind Therapy hits 3(!) Goblin Matrons (pls don't ask why I name this one. What do you guys name in this matchup? Or just wait until Matron/Ringleader resolve? I think it is too late then...). He never came back from this.
G2 was a turn 3 or 4 kill. 3 Lackys were to fast to handle. Swords on one of this two Piledrivers were just a drop in the bucket. G3 I lead with some Vet/Therapy into Deed into Meren into another Deed I think. Won that match.
5. Against Grixis Pyro. All games were close. G3 I didn't kill his Tasigur with Vraskas -3 when I had the chance to. Maybe my SFM equiped with Jitte then could have raced his TNN. We will never now.
6. Last match was against the same guy that played the Stompy deck, this time he played MUD. Horrible matchup, lost 2:1. As you can imagine how the losses went, let's focus on G2: He had a fast start with Metalworker, but no Lightning Greaves. Anyway, I feared turn 3 Blightsteel Colossus, so I hold my Swords. He instead speeds out Steel Hellkite + Kuldotha Forgemaster, so my problems were everything but unsolved! My turn, I top decked Therapy, took his Wormcoil Engine he revealed with his Metalworker. Flashback with VetEx. took Grim Monolith I guess. Play Deed with white open for Swords. As much as I wanted to take out his Forgemaster while summoning sick, I had the feeling that this lonesome Deed would be my only chance winning this game (with the foolish plan of ramping with Meren+Veteran Explorer), so I had to prevent his Steel Hellkite from dealing combat damage.. Next turn he didn't draw the 3rd artifact to sac to his Forgemaster (thanks, Therapy!). So Deed for 5. The following couple of turns were back and forth, Wurmcoil meets Swords bringing him to 34life and so on, while I got Meren active and zenithed for Quasali Pridemage. At this point his only chances were All is Dust or Blightsteel i guess, but my clock was fast enough.
Nutshell: Meren, multiple Explorers into some kind of large enough Deeds, Pridemage „lock“ and a lot of luck were necessary to steal some games here.
Sry for wording/mistakes, english not beeing my native language and it's late around here in Europe. Merry Christmas to yah all!
Vraska: r u feel comfortable with her? Isnt better to pick some ... better token generator for your equipments?
and how often you manage to use her ulty?
Vraska is pretty interesting, but often her +1 utility is just useless :( and on planeswalker with 5 mana cost.... i need more
But i have never tested her... so just asking :)
Painful Truth i like that card.... but in games, very often i just draw some craps which i didnt need and just pay 3 life for nothing... Diabolic Intent look better for me, especialy when u drop phyrexial tower for third forest
deed vs deluge depend just on your meta :) and if u r facing MUDs, some stompy decks.. its wise choice
Andd in your report, you had rly bad luck against RUG :( its a pitty, cose Nic fit is delver killer.... nwm, congratulation for your result, i hope you had fun ...
and merry xmas :)
yep, that is nesty, especialy when u r facing some stompy deck ... or MUD :)
Vraska is something else. For a while i have played her in my JUND list. If it weren't for Stormbreath Dragon I'd probably squeeze her in somewhere. That said, If you are looking for token generating Walker then look further. This one has a very different function. Often people find she is an overpriced Maelstrom Pulse or Vindicate, BUT i disagree strongly here. 5 CMC is a lot, but being BG(3) is quite easy to achieve with this deck. Now, the -3 function can be a real lifesaver and given that weren't for this ability she wouldn't have been interesting at all. Nonetheless, after destroying something (or not) she sticks around and becomes very scary.
The ultimate is in most cases a game winner, plus that you have time to set the conditions to push at least 1 token thru. An important aspect of this ultimate is that it dodges life total, which can be relevant in somewhat grindy games were you are not able to win fast enough thru life.
The +1 does not look impressive when looking at it, but knowing that her ultimate will win the game makes the choice your opponent is left with something he is gonna have to think about. Is he gonna sacrifice one of his creatures to kill her or keep her loyalty in check or is he gonna ignore it and try to race your life total? Also people are really trying to prevent her to get a second -3 activation and spend quite some resources dealing with her. Either way, this is gonna benefit you.
About P.Truths, i totally agree. For NicFit, quality over quantity any day.
Happy holidays..
Kagu-Tsuchi カグツチ (Jund NicFit)
Rhino's Abbondanza (Junk NicFit)
4c Aggro Loam
@ Nargoron: Vraska isn't meant to be a token producer. Therefor I prefer Elspeth KE, or even Garruk PH or Sorin.
As Bobmans stated out, Vraska is primarily useful because of her -3. Yes, Vindicate or Pulse are both more efficient and kind of stronger, too. But Vraska has the ability to stay on the board after she had impact on the game. So in most cases, she is at least a 1 for 1. Okay, 3gb is expensive for a trade like this, but if our board state is preferable while or after her appearence, she can easily become a 2 for 1 or even more. Combined with Deed this card is nuts: It buys time to get counters on her for multiple -3 activations or clears the board before the assassin tokens arrive. (to be fair, I won just once this way)
Nontheless I agree that her +1 ability isn't very strong. More often than not attacking me and not her is just better for my opponent anyway. Probably cut her in the near future, maybe for Intent or Deluge. I was brainstorming about these cards already, glad you guys mention exactly these two. I guess in my meta Toxic Deluge isn't necessary a sideboard card.
about Painful Truths: Actually I expulsed them about two weeks ago as I posted here. But I also wanted to give them a last shot.. and I was fairly excited about what this card did in the different matchups. In the end Bobmans could be right with his statement about quality over quantity. In this case I'll swap those with 2x Intent or Intent + Library.
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