Niklas pointed that out at GP Lille, was really helpful by protecting a teeg from a decay.Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
In your defense I keep ignoring that line :/
I mean, I've always seen the ability to regenerate. I slam it out more often than I'd expect (and get more salty reactions to the surprise than I'd expect), but I never thought to include Golgari Charm based off of that potential before. I always include Golgari Charm because it's a sweeper or because it deals with Humility and Blood Moon, and because of those justifications I sometimes regenerate things. But I've never brought Golgari Charm with the strict intention of regenerating anything.
Looking that strictly to the ability(as I would bring it because of the regen) I guess you only do it against ANT. They usually need at least 1 Decay to go off so it is a good insurance.
I can't see another matchup where we want that ability
I mean, it does come in handy overall sometimes, but there's definitely not a specific match-up (aside from ANT kind of) and, anyways, few things are more satisfying than giving Mother of Runes and Rest in Peace the finger.
Hey guys, here is a primer draft.
Warning: This thing is 314 lines written mostly between 2 and 6 am so there may be some inconsistencies. The "Accomplishments" and "Core/Card Choices" sections are not finished. Matchups and Strategy could probably use more work.
So, am I super wrong about things?
How do people feel about my pedantry with Names/History/Misconceptions/etc? I personally tend to repeat myself about those things a bunch, so I figured it would be helpful to have.
Any feedback/contributions are welcome.
Just skimmed through it since I have to go to bed.
History part is nice, a good overview.
We are going to start a war in this thread because of the good/bad matchups :) IMO Would put D&T and Elves to even, Storm is either Even or Bad(Depends on the variants)
Will read again tomorrow
Does anyone have any sideboard tech for red and taxes?
I'm mostly a lurker and not much of a poster but I've been putting this deck together recently. I noticed the list from GP Lille last summer had a Tabernacle in the board. If you had access to that is that something that should be in the 75 or does it really just depend on your meta?
If I had access to a Tabernacle I'd test it a bunch more, but from what I know of it now the card is very weak in our deck.
This deck plays a non-zero amount of creatures, making the card pretty two sided. The effect of taxing both players for two is often not worth a card.
The scenarios when it shines is when you can knight it up after the opponent has played an Empty the warrens or created a large army with Young Pyro or Mentor.
If the thing tapped for colorless mana it would be a great 1-of but costing a land drop and not making mana are two huge costs.
I've only just started playing the deck, but previous experience suggests that they're pretty soft to Sulfur Elemental, and maybe adding a Qusali Pridemage to the 75 would be advisable if the red splash version is big in your meta.
Hey guys. I'm headed to a Legacy IQ this weekend in which I was going to play storm, but a buddy let me borrow aggro loam since this is a deck that I've really wanted to build for awhile. I know the meta is going to be chock full of Miracles, so i figured i should ditch the storm idea. Anyways, I've been grinding out practice with the deck for awhile now, and damn is it a fun yet very challenging deck. My question to you guys is, are there any tips/tricks or advice any of you can give me? Maybe some sideboarding help? Anything would be appreciated. Also, here is the decklist he gave me.
4 Dark Confidant
4 Knight Of The Reliquary
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Abrupt decay
3 Punishing Fire
2 Life From The Loam
2 Green Sun Zenith
4 Chalice Of The Void
4 Mox Diamond
2 Sylvan Library
3 Liliana Of The Veil
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
3 Grove Of The Burnwillows
2 Barren Moor
1 Tranquil Thicket
1 Dark Depths
1 Thespians Stage
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Swamp
1 Forest
2 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Taiga
Side:
3 Leyline Of The VOid
1 Garruk Relentless
2 Thalia
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Containment Priest
1 Dread Of Night
1 Golgari Charm
2 Thoughtseize
1 Rec Sage
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Maelstrom Pulse
My first thought is that running both Depths/Stage and Maze is rather greedy unless you cut some of the more color intensive cards (which in practice means Liliana). Having all of those will pretty much force you to rely on Mox for stable mana, and that will cause trouble.
Other than that, it looks fine, though I'm really not a fan of Thoughtseize in the board.
If it doesn't make n00bs cry, it's probably not my deck.
+1 for the combo + lili
It is kinda heavy on the deck.
If you expect a lot of miracles adding a choke to the sideboard can be nice also.
Went to a ~80 man event this past weekend. Went 4-3. Won against Mono-Green 12 Post, Miracles, Elves, and 4c Shardless. Losses were to Shardless BUG, Grixis Delver, and BUG Delver.
Seems to be a pretty clear split, and it looked about the same at SCG New Jersey, and the last two times (and only two times) I've played Noah Walker with his Grixis Delver I've gotten the shit kicked out of me.
I know part of it is just sheer shit luck, but I also know I could probably better prepare for it. I've been thinking of cutting the DRS for another Abrupt Decay and adding another Toxic Deluge in the board, but can anyone lend other helpful hints as to how to how to counter these "fair deck" menaces?
I had kind of been thinking about taking the dark depths combo out. I've noticed that I do get kinda choked on colored mana sometimes and it blows. What would you put in over it? A badlands and?
Also, why no love for the thoughtseize? What would you think is better? I'm thinking maybe a choke and a second deluge.
Badlands + Windswept Heath(not as good in your list since you run the swamp, but still fetch all the colors)
I actually like the Thoughtseizes(and would not take them out) but the cards you pointed out are also good.
Hi Loam players!
I started playing the latest version of AggroLoam in Cockatrice a month ago, since I am completing it in real life too. I am really happy with it, it is really strong. By the moment, I have played only 15 rounds online, but won 13 of them. Here is my list:
MAINDECK:
1 x Dryad Arbor
1 x Scavenging Ooze
1 x Qasali Pridemage
1 x Gaddock Teeg
4 x Dark Confidant
4 x Knight of the Reliquary
4 x Mox Diamond
4 x Chalice of the Void
4 x Abrupt Decay
4 x Punishing Fire
3 x Green Sun's Zenith
2 x Life from the Loam
2 x Sylvan Library
4 x Wasteland
3 x Grove of the Burnwillows
4 x Verdant Catacombs
2 x Windswept Heath
2 x Bayou
1 x Taiga
1 x Savannah
1 x Scrubland
1 x Forest
1 x Swamp
2 x Tranquil Thicket
1 x Barren Moor
1 x Karakas
1 x Maze of Ith
SIDEBOARD:
3 x Leyline of the Void
3 x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 x Phyrexian Revoker
1 x Choke
1 x Garruk Relentless
1 x Maelstrom Pulse
2 x Golgari Charm
2 x Toxic Deluge
Any suggestion or advice would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
I really like that list. Idk if it is optimal, but it looks suuper consistent. With 4 Pfire and 3 Grove you might want a 2nd fetchable red source tho. DRS is also very worth testing.
As for Pilhas's comments about matchups..
I think I'm biased about the D&T matchup so I'll defer to you there.
It is hard for me to see why Elves would be even. Chalice turns off ~25 cards and Teeg shuts off 7-8 others. Pfire is often problematic for them. Post board they can't overcommit for fear of board wipes. Maybe if you play only 6 accelerants and don't mull to fast hands you would have trouble. Is that what is happening?
Storm deck I would have to disagree about. I played the TES matchup to death, and that is 80-90% in our favor. Against ANT, they have to draw more decays/chains than you draw hate, which is hard but possible to do or power through our softer hate which requires time. I'd say we are like 70% here. This is another matchup where speed is key.
The best storm decks against us are High tide because we basically can't interact, and the belcheresque decks because those are coin flips.
Shardless and Team America have been 50/50 for me at best, and are probably the fair decks I least want to run into. They are well rounded and hard to attack specifically, plus a lot of their stuff lines up well against us. If you aren't playing 4 Decay already I would try ditching the Deathrite. Garruk is a house against Shardless, but you already know that.
@Apocolyps8
I actually feel different to storm, I've been having awful results vs TES and awesome vs ANT. Maybe is playstyle related but I feel that we can hardly survive a >8 goblins t1/t2.
Regarding Elves, I've been consistent with beating them, got a good priority map for this matchup but I feel it is not as straightforward has some people might think. If we can't drop a chalice or a teeg early I feel the rest of the hate we have(main) is often to slow to control them. Killing a creature each round vs elves is not where I would like to be.
@Koke_mtg
Nice tight list. I would give a go to the DD+Stage combo on that list. Since you don't run lilis your mana must be smooth as hell.
@Seraphix
In my experience against those MU I only feel behind when they have an overly agressive start. If Shardless goes for Shaman -> Goyf+Visions ->Creature I think we need too much interaction to get above water. We do not run sweepers mainboard and it is the matchup where goyfs run bigger.
Against Bug Delver I feel that we only lose to "delver hands" t1 delver(daze backup)->goyf->counters
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