Played a bigger tournament yesterday, about 170 players and 8 rounds of legacy. Used a more or less traditionally UG build and finished 6 - 2, making 9th place and getting a Snapcaster Mage (friend of mine went 6 - 2 as well, but had the better opp-score and made 8th place^^).
1 Emrakul, the Aeon's Torn
1 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
4 Primeval Titan
2 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
4 Brainstorm
4 Repeal
4 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Pithing Needle
1 Candelabra of Tawnos
3 Expedition Map
3 Crop Rotation
4 Show and Tell
1 Eureka
4 Cloudpost
4 Glimerpost
4 Tropical Island
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Island
1 Forest
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Karakas
1 Eye of Ugin
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Vesuva
Sideboard:
4 Sphere of Resistance
3 Flusterstorm
2 Swan Song
2 Blue Elemental Blast
3 Krosan Grip
1 Glacial Chasm
MUs:
Round 1: Sneak Attack, 2:0
Round 2: Delver (BUG?), 2:0
Round 3: Delver (Canadian), 2:0
Round 4: Death and Taxes, 1:2
Round 5: Aggro Loam, 2:0
Round 6: Delver (BUG), 0:2
Round 7: Death and Taxes, 2:1
Round 8: R/G Lands, 2:1 (EPIC Match, winning in 3rd extra turn)
Have been lucky to dodge all the Storm MUs (15 players), didn't see a single opponent playing Miracles (23 players) as well.
List felt really smoothy. Maybe I should have taken more mulligans against D&T (close 2nd game, 1 mana away from Ugin due to Port and missing 2nd green source for Titan), Round 6 was close to be unwinable (Game 1 opponent had triple Wasteland plus 2 Goyfs...).
Managed to get into the prizes the last two minor events as well, so I will work on the UG build.
Eureka is my personal flex-slot, and I'm still not happy with this choice (didn't resolve a single time, got discarded once or twice). Tried Wurmcoil Engine, but it's too clunky and has no ETB effect :-/ I guess I will return to 3 Eldrazi as soon as Kozilek 2.0 is out (maybe even Endbringer...?, in the meanwhile I might try Karn, or a 2nd Ugin. Suggestions are welcome!
Don't you like Platinum Emperion? It helps A LOT against burn and storm, two of the worst matchup G1.Originally Posted by Postman
I will try Endbringer me too, maybe 1 in sideboard to change Emperion when it's less efficient.
this is very funny with titan, and maybe can substitute candelabra in a low budget GW build. (it's colorless, so great with ancient stirring)
I played it about one year ago and it didn't convince me completely. Usually I try to establish some kind of "lock" like sphere or want a counter in hand / floating before I cast S&T. Titan and Emrakul usually win the game very quickly and both are lethal for burn as well. Maybe it's okay for sideboard, will give it a try again ;-)
Hey guys, I've never player 12-post before but I am thinking of picking up the deck. I was thinking of trying a mono blue version that plays like mono u tron in modern. I deck that just tempos people out/delays turn after turn before winning with an eldrazi. I have trops and can play the standard UG version.
What do you guys think of this list? Please let me know if I this has been tried and failed or if I am completely off base here. Thanks.
Instant (20)
4x Brainstorm
4x Condescend
4x Repeal
4x Into the Roil
4x Force of Will
Artifact (12)
4x Pithing Needle
4x Expedition Map
4x Sensei's Divining Top
Creature (3)
1x Emmy
1x New Ulamog
1x New Kozilek
Lands (25)
4x Cloudpost
4x Glimmerpost
2x Vesuva
4x Misty Rainforest
4x Polluted Delta
5x Island
1x Karakas
1x Eye of Ugin
Sideboard (15)
4x Flusterstorm
4x Relic of Progenitus
2x Phyrexian Revoker
2x Propaganda
2x Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1x Dismember
to hell with titan, this resets delvers. and under eye of ugin casts for 1. Not to also mention it fog's one creature forever per 3 mana and kills tokens (monk/elementals)this is very funny with titan, and maybe can substitute candelabra in a low budget GW build. (it's colorless, so great with ancient stirring)
I remember looking at momentary blink effects back when I was testing Ghostly flicker and Ruin Ghost, but this takes the cake by far.
so new kozilek seems very good in UG build, this seems great in GW build...i´m also a bti confused wich one i should pick up for practice!
I like the show and tell as a safe second plan and its a very huge bullet that people have to dodge, plus brainstorm...well its brainstorm cmon !! but GW build has some awesome spots too ... i guess i need to test both versions a lot :/
Any comments on what you guys gonna play for upcoming months? and why?
well, it does a lot of things indeed, I think it will be maindeck'd in every Wx build.
monoU could be interesting with new kozi, but I suggest this:
1) add some card advantage cards, like ponder. Since you are gonna discard with kozi, you need to have a draw engine.
2) add show and tell, maybe not 4, it depends how many big cows you want in your list
3) be careful to your mana curve: you should have some cmc1 cards, some cmc2 and a few cmc3, to optimize your kozi.
I will wait the full spoiler and the ban list.....at the moment I'm undecided between:
-uwg with 2 terminus, some repeal, maybe some spatial contortion, maybe the new displacer
-urg with 2/3 kozilek's return (maybe 1 bonfire), like modern tron style. No spatial contortion of course, still some repeal because it does a lot of trick.
If SDT will be banned of course I'll go throught the URG way with no bonfire.
If SDT will not be banned.....probably I will try the red way the same XD.
Literally the only thing you can say bad about that little dude is that he dies to Lightning Bolt and Abrupt Decay. I liked Prophet of Distortion, but Displacer screams "abuse me"!
Yes, you probably need Candelabra if you're running a Cloudpost deck.
1) If you're not playing green for Crop Rotation, I think you need a second level of defense vs Wasteland besides Pithing Needle. Perhaps Trickbind or Stifle.
2) Trinket Mage seems good for you.
3) Counterbalance might actually be interesting, at least in the board. You're already running a lot of the same library manipulation that Miracles does.
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I'm interested. I have all of this in paper except for JTMS. BoozeCube's suggestions are good. I'm wondering if the dig on Condescend makes it worthwhile as an X-counterspell over something like Spell Burst or even Power Sink. Of course, that slot could also be filled by Spell Pierce or ye generic Counterspell. Maybe the dig really is worth it, as well as the draw from Into the Roil: otherwise I think I'd rather have Wipe Away. No Candelabra of Tawnos also worries me, although Rock Lee has made lists that didn't run them.
I've wanted to try a mono-blue list for a long time but was unsure as to what direction I wanted to take with it. If you end up having some success with something like this, let us know. I might try brewing something in mono-blue in the near future.
Yes, you probably need Candelabra if you're running a Cloudpost deck.
New Eldrazi Displacer is a hell good vs R/G Lands, their actually MD/SB can't beat it (unless 2 punishings..).
Congrats postman on the finish.
I’m still true to the UG myself. I’ve tried your build online and I’m not sure if glacial should be in the side board. I’ve just lost to elves (with 2 crop rotations in hand), where I would probably have won if glacial was there… Looking at you’re match-ups it was the correct choice, but I’m really not sure if glacial in the side is the way to run the UG. I’m also not sure if running 4 SnT is the correct number in this build, since you are running ugin?
Cantrips are not card advantage. You end up with as many cards as you started with them. This should be very basic level knowledge.
Show and Tell with three fatties only is very questionable. Trinket mage is likely the better 3-drop and opens up the possibility of powerful singletons like Candelabra and EE. It also helps in shaving a Needle or two. My take would be to add the remaining Kozileks and play full Show and Tells. Kozilek in your hand is a wasted Kozilek. On the other hand, heavy blue post needs the new Kozilek the least of the bunch because of other tools. Kozilek probably shines more in non-U builds which lack stack interaction. There is some controversy here as S&T is absolutely the fastest way to land Koz. Maybe UG is the way to go with him?
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I know that a cantrip is not really "card advantage", but without cards like Treasure Cruise and Dig through time the only way to not go down with cards in hand are cantrip. And if you are playing a tactic based on discarding cards, I think keeping a full hand is the main objective in this kind of deck.
S&T is, as always, a debated card: maybe you can run also 0 of them, if you wanna play with few creatures. You can insert trinket mage as cmc3 pitch and to quickly find a candelabra, and insert a lot of bounce card to make fast mana bouncing candelabra but mostly protect it against Abrupt Decay. In general I always prefer a backup plan, so I think S&T should be insert in some way in any deck with blue.
Thanks!
Chasm Main/Side is some kind of meta call, I guess. For me it's often a dead card and the MUs I really need it are Elves (as you mentioned), burn, Storm (only game 2 if they go the ETW way^^), sometimes Reanimator.
4 S&T worked fine for me, and I even added a 5th one in Eureka. It's such a powerful card! Saved me a game against Delver thanks to showing Emrakul^^ (Of course it's the last way you want to go!) Right now I have 4 premium targets to show in (Titans), 2 maybe targets (Eldrazi) plus deploying an additional Cloudpost can be like a Timewalk. And "wasting" one into a Force of Will is fine for me, if I can drop Ugin the next turn.
Yep good point postman, i moved back to the full set of SnT, gonna run well with kozilek anyways right?
Oh man i just bought a play set of flusters along with pimp glimmers and cloudpost and some other stuff and i still have to buy the new cards from the upcoming set. The fun never stops with this deck hahaha
Anyone brewed up a sample list with the new kozilek? What are we discarding ? trinkets or what? are we running 1, 2 or 3 copies of him?
Let me know so i can start shopping !
Yeah, new Kozilek should be tried in the UG build. Haven't really started to think about a new build, but I guess I won't change the whole deck at once. First some testing, and if he is he as good as people want him to be, there will be some sort of fine tuning. 1 copy should be enough, can't remember that I ever played more than one copy of an Eldrazi. After boarding I often have 3 copies of krosan grip in the deck, plus the S&T. Normally this should be enough cmc 3 spells, but let's wait for other players ;-)Yep good point postman, i moved back to the full set of SnT, gonna run well with kozilek anyways right?
Oh man i just bought a play set of flusters along with pimp glimmers and cloudpost and some other stuff and i still have to buy the new cards from the upcoming set. The fun never stops with this deck hahaha
Anyone brewed up a sample list with the new kozilek? What are we discarding ? trinkets or what? are we running 1, 2 or 3 copies of him?
Let me know so i can start shopping !
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