I had the sinkholes for a long time now; since 2007 so before the current crop of good fakes. I'm aware of the color variation. In this case, my sinkholes look different even when compared to another unlimited black card. Maybe I'm juts being paranoid.
If you unknowingly had counterfeit cards in your deck during a large tournament and for some reason or other someone suspects, what happens if you're found out? It's not 'fraud' in the legal sense as you didn't know nor cared but it wouldn't be as bad as say, a proxy you printed out on paper at magiccards.info would it?
I usually proxy cards in a deck for testing before I go and buy the real ones against friends and never in a tournament.
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
I'll preface this by saying I am not a certified judge.Originally Posted by OmniStrata
I would anticipate the lowest punishment would be that you would get a warning and be required to replace the cards with real ones if you want to continue, the worst would be a disqualification from the tournament (if malicious intent is determined or you are a repeat offender I could very easily see a DCI banning)
There is a lot of grey area here, if you have a printed "proxy" that you don't own the card it is hard to believe you didn't know about it. If it is determined to be a good fake (Like some Chinese ones) it is more likely you were just swindled into believing it was real(but could also mean you purchased a fake with the intention of using it in a tournament). I'd expect it comes down to the perceived intent of the player.
Judges are almost all reasonable people and do not want to disqualify you, and you can always appeal to the head judge.
The odds for this happening is very very small. I would expect a player using good copies to never be caught.
"Pox early, Pox often, and Pox hard!" - Le_Lepreux
Updated deck. Somewhat resembles Kurtis Frazier's deck in the primer but with Hymns kept in the main. I like card advantage and have setup the deck to inhale as much Card Advantage as possible. I've also brought back the old school Chimeric Idol as a 1-of so late game I can cast what I top deck and attack at the same time. I've found that Mishra's Factory and especially Cursed Scroll are mana hungry win cons that forces you to either ignore the spell you top decked, assuming it's useful, aka Sinkhole, or disrupt your opponent but deal no damage, which sort of sucks.
I've also removed the 'bombers' of Ratchet Bomb and Powder Keg. I need to stop bouncing back and forth between killing problem permanents or dropping problem permanents of my own. [facepalm] It's just not practical to tick up the bombs to deal with things like Leyline of Sanctity. Instead, I've brought in more win conditions that'll push the deck to 12 win cons in order to overwhelm a control deck.
No tournaments coming up that I can get to so just going to test against a Tendrils Storm deck, Omni-Tell, Miracles, and a handful of homebrew aggro decks. I'll post what's up next week or so.
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
I know your dilemma. I think it is worthwhile strategy to have diverse threats. Right know i run Mishra's Factory, Tombstalker, Bloodghast and The Rack. The later pair work very well vs Ensnaring bridge.
LoS is never any problem. It only stops my Hymns:-) Liliana and the poxes AND The Rack just ignore it.
Best scenario for me: someone mulligan to find LoS.
"Pox early, Pox often, and Pox hard!" - Le_Lepreux
Actually, Leyline stops Liliana's more relevant abilities. If your enemy is just going to hold onto a card, then that's cool, but when you need to kill that threat, Liliana's -2 is out and her Ultimate is effectively pithing needled. That and my deck loses Hymn, Inquistion, and Cursed Scroll. Punching with Mishra's, N. Spirit and Chimeric Idol (the Gamera of my deck lol) works but damn if Jace isn't problematic when protected by a Leyline.
I do pack Rack, Shrieking Afflictions, Ankh of Mishra (underrated as hell btw), and Underworld Dreams in my SB just to overwhelm his defenses and murder his fetchlands. Black enchantments are quite OP with the right conditions being met.
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
Ankh is actually something I have been wanting to test as a way to combat miracles. They do make a lot of land drops and use many fetchlands.
So I'll be playing in my local shops league final and since the metagame is pretty set I wondered if anyone have suggestions to what to potentially board against certain decks, interesting to know is that everyone essentially know Im playing GB Pox.
16 players
1 pox (me)
2 miracles (fun but hard match up)
1 elves (feel favored)
2 lands (I just dunno)
1 infect (he got leyline of sanctity sideboard)
1 burn (combo all the way)
1 uw blade variant or random
1 goblins
1 rug delver
1 bug delver
1 4 color delver
1 storm
1 death and taxes
1 ur sneak and show or omnishow(I feel largelt unfavored here)
There are small variance among the plays but its mostly people playing mote storm delver, lands and miracles in that case.
So any special suggestions on what to play
I can link a list if its of interest
My current list if anyone actually is intersted, I'm 99% sure the basics of the list are from here but I'm not 100% sure who actually made the first list. I feel it's the deck with the most game against any type of deck, other then a weird sneak and show match up I don't know what it's really that bad against
NAME : Pox
// CREATOR : Teodor Sundberg
// FORMAT : Legacy
1 [] Barren Moor
1 [C14] Bojuka Bog
1 [OD] Cabal Pit
1 [CS] Dark Depths
1 [UNH] Forest
1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
1 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
1 [LG] The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 [KTK] Wooded Foothills
2 [UNH] Swamp
2 [GTC] Thespian's Stage
2 [M15] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 [R] Bayou
3 [4E] Mishra's Factory
3 [TE] Wasteland
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
1 [MM] Nether Spirit
3 [ISD] Liliana of the Veil
1 [CHK] Sensei's Divining Top
1 [CNS] Pernicious Deed
3 [UL] Crop Rotation
3 [OD] Entomb
4 [RTR] Abrupt Decay
1 [OD] Innocent Blood
1 [EVE] Raven's Crime
1 [THS] Thoughtseize
3 [FE] Hymn to Tourach
3 [ROE] Inquisition of Kozilek
3 [RAV] Life from the Loam
4 [CNS] Smallpox
SB: 1 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
SB: 1 [RTR] Vraska the Unseen
SB: 1 [NE] Massacre
SB: 1 [] Krosan Grip
SB: 1 [7E] Engineered Plague
SB: 1 [EVE] Raven's Crime
SB: 1 [OD] Coffin Purge
SB: 1 [DTK] Duress
SB: 1 [PLC] Extirpate
SB: 1 [WL] Null Rod
SB: 2 [EX] Sphere of Resistance
SB: 2 [DS] Trinisphere
SB: 1 [] Barren Moor
i am not sure all the one-offs in the sb are a good idea. For a wishboard, sure, but you don't run wishes.
"Pox early, Pox often, and Pox hard!" - Le_Lepreux
With entomb singletons like barren moor, raven's crime and coffin purge seem ok. But the other singletons seem odd. Like vraska, massacre, pulse etc. Sticking with one or 2 optimal options for each slot and run multiples seems better.
isn't there a loam pox thread somewhere, btw? It is quite a different deck after all.
"Pox early, Pox often, and Pox hard!" - Le_Lepreux
16 players
1 pox (me)
2 miracles: Their mana is more important than cards in their hand, attack their mana, wasteland non-basics so small pox can hit basics, land liliana you should be all set. I really like garruk relentless for this match-up, they only have 1-2 council judgement as answers to my 4 liliana and 2 garruk
1 elves: crop rotate for tabernacle asap removal should do the rest.
2 lands: most important cards in this match-up are exploration and manabond, if both players only play 1 land a turn you'll win
1 infect: can be tough bc they have nut draws but something like Night of Soul's Betrayal can lock them out entirely, they are still a creature deck.
1 burn: crop rotate for glacial chasm or a quick marit lage, this match went from unwinnable to me feeling favored after I added the crop rotate main.
1 uw blade variant or random: blade decks are probably our best matchup, small pox and cabal therapy shine
1 goblins: same story as elves, find tabernacle
1 rug delver: same story as blade decks, tabernacle+wasteland can win on their own
1 bug delver
1 4 color delver
1 storm:you have a ton of discard just learn what to take, knowing how to play storm usually helps
1 death and taxes: more creature decks!
1 ur sneak and show or omnishow: I never liked playing this match-up until I added cabal therapy main, there are 2 cards that beat you, Griselbrand and sneak attack, show and tell emrakul is embarrassing against a deck with smallpox and lily. They need 2 cards in had to win so get them to zero cards fast, I like to bring in golgari charm from SB it answers a sneak attack that is played out before they have a creature and answers the common young pyromancer sideboard plan, or their SB blood moons.
Seems like a great meta for GB Pox!
There is but it's dead and also my deck (which I now saw Jedelstein created) is featured in the primer for green splash so its not that far of.
There is actually some reasoning behind this apparent sub optimal split.
Most of my 1 ofs are Old 2 ofs that i split to have mer flexibility. And though i understand that stickning with an optimal card that is always better I have so far liked having just more flexibel answers since I got answers to everything Main already.
For exempel
1 vraska 1 pulse was 2 pulse before, she has been terrifying in testning vs decks as miracles that will usually just outright Lose to an active vraska (I have had players playing jace vs 7 Counter vraska just to get rid of 3 counters), I would like to have 2, but maelstrom pulse have been good enough to Warrant taking 1 of the slots vs decks were you want 1 more removal.
1 massacre 1 enginered plague was 2 massacre but since mentor is a thing and DnT isn't that bad i cut 1 massacre.
The krosan grip is mostly the 5th abrupt decay
If this makes any Sense, I have been having quite the sucess with it especially since most 1 of cards feel like they are the sideboard slots 5-7 extra vs certain decks.
The
1 null Rod
2 trini
2 sphere of resistance
1 duress
1 ravens crime
Are all storm slots that I wanted extra flexibility with.
The Cards I think I can cut are
Massacre for engineered plague ( or for night of souls betrayal)
Maelstrom pulse for vraska
Extirpate for random Graveyard hate
Does this seem resonable to change? And do anyone have suggestion for Graveyard hate int that case? Another crop rotation for bojuka bog?
Concerning burn i usually just trinisphere them since they can't really deal with it if they havent killed you first.
I am thinking about getting 1 night Of souls betrayal instead of massacre, does this seem reasonable? Especially with only 1 player on aggro with plains in their deck (Death and taxes) also a toxic deluge or pernicious deed could be good here.
The now 1 of extirpate (before coffin purge 2/1 split with 1 surgical extration) Is also a way to win the lands match up.
This could become the 4th crop rotation as well.
And concerning the meta I was thinking the same thing.
Makes sense to me. I do tend to do the same thing. Such as split between a pulse and vindicate because they serve similar purposes but slightly different possible uses. So I can understand that. I tend to just figure which one makes mire sense so I have a more clear cut game plan post board rather than varying answers to different things
Given how powerful the combo is i would have put the fourth entomb and crop rotation in the sb. But then i am a four of everything guy.
"Pox early, Pox often, and Pox hard!" - Le_Lepreux
Best board sweeper ever! Of course, you can't run wimps like Bloodghast or Lingering Souls with a monster like this on the field. Being a Legendary, it'd be fine as a 1-of but shines as a 2-of as well. I run 1 with a single Engineered Plague as -1/-2 to nuisances like DRS and Zombie hordes.
Three Lilianas to rule them all. One Pox to find them. Smallpox to bring them all and in the Sinkhole bind them!
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