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[caprino]

I wanted some advice, in a few days I have a pretty important tournament, for me it would be the first time that I would bring Eldrazi turbo, which version do you recommend to take? are highly uncertain, write lists thanks

[Corazu]

If you are trying to run a monoU list i think you'd need to run the full SnT package. It's the best blue card in the deck, why drop it? I've been experimenting with monoU impulse build, but after going back to a version of rock lee's UG i rarely lose a game. i think UG is strictly better. RIP my FoW (which i acquired recently and are now getting a reprint - suck my balls wizards...).

I think I'd disagree here, he's correct to drop the Show and Tells in mono-blue. The primary target for Show and Tell is Primeval Titan, of late, you also have Platinum Emperion as an aggro stopper which can be Show and Telled, but it's not the main target for it. Without Primeval Titan, Show and Tell is rather lackluster, since the Eldrazi you'd rather hardcast for their cast triggers.

I wanted some advice, in a few days I have a pretty important tournament, for me it would be the first time that I would bring Eldrazi turbo, which version do you recommend to take? are highly uncertain, write lists thanks

The correct answer here is to test the lists out yourself and see which one you prefer, and which one works best in your meta.

On a short time period I'm not sure what the best version would be, I'd lean towards UG personally but that's heavily biased of course. If you can give more information as to what sort of meta you might be expecting, it might be easier to pinpoint a color combo, if not a more specific list.

[Zotmaster]

I wanted some advice, in a few days I have a pretty important tournament, for me it would be the first time that I would bring Eldrazi turbo, which version do you recommend to take? are highly uncertain, write lists thanks

There is no definite answer to this, as a lot of it speaks to your meta, what you prioritize as a player, and your own experience with the deck. For instance, there are multiple U/G lists. Rock Lee's decks are heavily tuned to his meta and tend to focus more heavily on synergy and how pieces fit together. TimHarding has, in the past, opted for a more toolbox approach to problems, running Trinket Mage and a whole bunch of artifacts that answer problems. Is one better than the other? I don't know. Maybe? But it depends on what you prioritize.

TheBoozeCube and I both run very similar mono-green lists, but I prioritize Sensei's Divining Top and he doesn't. Otherwise, our lists tend to be within 6-8 cards of each other. Is one better than the other? I don't know. Maybe? But we prioritize differently which speaks to our differences as players. I am also currently testing one list that runs Forcefield in the main and one that runs multiple main-deck Sphere - cards like Sphere of Resistance, Thorn of Amethyst and Lodestone Golem - in the main, and I've even tested Animist's Awakening and am thinking about Shield of the Ages. Any or all of these ideas might completely suck, but I haven't played enough games with any of them to say for sure. Ehhhh splashes white. Rock Lee has also splashed white for cards like Swords to Plowshares and Terminus. We've splashed red for Bonfire of the Damned and Fire / Ice before. I Bonfired one of my opponents at my LGS for 20 on his turn before, and the only other time I've laughed that hard was running Minotaur Tribal with Didgeridoo. (Aside: if that intrigues anyone, message me and I'll give you a list!)

The uniqueness of our deck - that is to say, the mana engine - allows for all sorts of possibilities, as it is one of the only Legacy decks where mana cost is not an immediate deterrent. It is a challenging deck to pilot correctly, regardless of configuration. I have played basically every single variant and every single splash anyone has come up with on these boards since I've been here. The best advice I think anyone can give you is to get on Cockatrice and/or XMage, put together various configurations people have posted here, and figure out what seems to suit you best as a player. Since Cockatrice and XMage are free, you can put anything together and if you find something you like, you can then make the investment in paper or on MTGO.

[Corazu]

write me a list

That's not how this works, there's several lists over the last 5 pages alone. I'd recommend taking a look through them and then trying to compile a list and ask questions based on it, keeping in mind largely what types of decks you're expecting to encounter.

We're here to collaborate with each other on testing and tuning lists, trying out cards and bouncing ideas off each other. We're not here to build lists for you, it's ok to come in here and ask questions and for advice, but frankly all you've written in your posts is "give me a list", I've avoided saying anything about it before but I can't now. We're here to teach you to fish, not give you one.

[Zotmaster]

I was looking for some advice to start playing this type of deck ... I did not make me write a list for me

No, but it's the content of almost every one of your posts.

Here. Four lists just from me, not counting anyone else. Pick one.

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...098#post923098
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...111#post928111
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...738#post932738
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...214#post934214

[caprino]

No, but it's the content of almost every one of your posts.

Here. Four lists just from me, not counting anyone else. Pick one.

http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...098#post923098
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...111#post928111
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...738#post932738
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...214#post934214

thanks..I can write anything else because it's just that this kind of game deck ... I'll let the report in the days after the tournament

[caprino]

Going to be streaming some mono-green Post live on Cockatrice in a few minutes. Set sail for fail!

http://www.twitch.tv/zotmaster

EDIT: Mostly bad beats today, played a lot of random combo. Here's the list I'm currently testing, though.

4 Cloudpost
4 Glimmerpost
4 Vesuva
5 Forest
1 Windswept Heath
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Eye of Ugin
1 Karakas
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Glacial Chasm
4 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Expedition Map
3 Candelabra of Tawnos
3 Pithing Needle
3 Crop Rotation
4 Ancient Stirrings
4 Warping Wail
1 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 Kozilek, the Great Distortion
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
2 Ugin, the Spirit Dragon
2 Oblivion Stone
2 Forcefield
1 Wastes
SB: 4 Sphere of Resistance
SB: 3 Krosan Grip
SB: 3 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Ratchet Bomb
SB: 3 Thought-Knot Seer

Forcefield seems like it could really have a place right now. It has a lot of game against Eldrazi Stompy, Infect, and Monastery Mentor garbage, and it's another safety valve against Lands. Against a lot of other combo, though, it is considerably less good. Still, I'm keeping it in for now.

I found very interesting the latest list ... I wanted to ask the 3 Thought-Knot Seer in side you put them in against that matchup?

[Zotmaster]

I found very interesting the latest list ... I wanted to ask the 3 Thought-Knot Seer in side you put them in against that matchup?

Anything combo. You can usually rip out a pretty important piece, whether it's Storm, Omni or Sneak. Thought-Knot can be especially strong if you bring it in off a Show and Tell: when you put the trigger on the stack, you still have priority, which means you can immediately jam Krosan Grip to get rid of something like a Sneak Attack or Omniscience.

[Corazu]

Anything combo. You can usually rip out a pretty important piece, whether it's Storm, Omni or Sneak. Thought-Knot can be especially strong if you bring it in off a Show and Tell: when you put the trigger on the stack, you still have priority, which means you can immediately jam Krosan Grip to get rid of something like a Sneak Attack or Omniscience.

Thought-Knot Seer is great for Omni-Tell. I would have had my opponent with it had he not been running (and had in hand alongside his Emrakul that I took) a Burning Wish (which let him grab Enter the Infinite from the sideboard). It was just too much to ask for me to also have Warping Wail in my hand to counter that.

[caprino]

I found very interesting the latest list ... I wanted to ask the 3 Thought-Knot Seer in side you put them in against that matchup?

Why 2 ulamog and 2 oblivion stone..and 0 all is dust?

[Corazu]

Why 2 ulamog and 2 oblivion stone..and 0 all is dust?

I can't speak for him, especially on the Ulamog - but Ugin generally fills the All is Dust role, and Oblivion Stone also serves purpose in that regard. OStone helps now specifically against Eldrazi, which Ugin (or All is Dust) do nothing against, since they're colorless.

Ulamog is a good effect, having a 2nd when you have room (which monogreen does more than the 2 or 3 color builds) is not bad, especially since the first one can be stripped from your hand with little way to get it back into the deck to be drawn/tutored again.

[cherson]

For all of you who are on the Gw build. Did u consider 'Retribution of the Meek' for the eldrazi mu's?

[Zotmaster]

I can't speak for him, especially on the Ulamog - but Ugin generally fills the All is Dust role, and Oblivion Stone also serves purpose in that regard. OStone helps now specifically against Eldrazi, which Ugin (or All is Dust) do nothing against, since they're colorless.

Ulamog is a good effect, having a 2nd when you have room (which monogreen does more than the 2 or 3 color builds) is not bad, especially since the first one can be stripped from your hand with little way to get it back into the deck to be drawn/tutored again.

Mostly this. While All is Dust is either 1 mana cheaper (or 3 with Eye), Ugin sticks around and almost always wins the game out of that spot. With a very small number of exceptions - like Griselbrand or Inkwell Leviathan - Ugin takes care of everything AiD does with the added bonus of continuing to wipe out your opponent's attempts to rebuild.

Oblivion Stone and Ratchet Bomb are my current ideas in trying to address threats like Eldrazi, Infect, or Monastery Mentor and Young Pyromancer tokens. Stone is probably stronger overall, but Bomb can kill tokens immediately.

Ulamog is my most commonly tutored-for Eldrazi unless I just happen to have Emrakul mana. Exiling two is always powerful and leads to a huge, immediate change in the board state.

[TheBoozeCube]

Mostly this. While All is Dust is either 1 mana cheaper (or 3 with Eye), Ugin sticks around and almost always wins the game out of that spot. With a very small number of exceptions - like Griselbrand or Inkwell Leviathan - Ugin takes care of everything AiD does with the added bonus of continuing to wipe out your opponent's attempts to rebuild.

Oblivion Stone and Ratchet Bomb are my current ideas in trying to address threats like Eldrazi, Infect, or Monastery Mentor and Young Pyromancer tokens. Stone is probably stronger overall, but Bomb can kill tokens immediately.

Ulamog is my most commonly tutored-for Eldrazi unless I just happen to have Emrakul mana. Exiling two is always powerful and leads to a huge, immediate change in the board state.

I prefer to run a split between Ugin/Dust. In addition to the differences above, the fact that they are different cards has value: Meddling Mage, Pithing Needle, Cabal Therapy, Surgical Extraction, etc.. I split to hedge my bets.

It's also a meta call. Ugin is better in a vacuum, but Dust is better against Elves (faster, kills Craterhoof if you can survive to untap), Sneak & Show, Reanimator, and occasionally Enchantress (sometimes run Suppression Field, which makes a cast + immediate activation more expensive).


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[k_omega]

I prefer to run a split between Ugin/Dust. In addition to the differences above, the fact that they are different cards has value: Meddling Mage, Pithing Needle, Cabal Therapy, Surgical Extraction, etc.. I split to hedge my bets.

It's also a meta call. Ugin is better in a vacuum, but Dust is better against Elves (faster, kills Craterhoof if you can survive to untap), Sneak & Show, Reanimator, and occasionally Enchantress (sometimes run Suppression Field, which makes a cast + immediate activation more expensive).

Exactly. I changed an Oblivion Stone to an All is Dust after having too many Phyrexian Revokers neutralize my board wipes. All is Dust will always do what you want it to if it resolves, while Ugin and Stone do not.

For all of you who are on the Gw build. Did u consider 'Retribution of the Meek' for the eldrazi mu's?

I've never even seen that card before. Looks good, though. How much of a drawback do you think its inability to kill Mimics would be?

[into_play]

I think Repeal took a big hit from the SoI ruling change, with Delver's flip side now being cmc 1. Maybe it's not as big a deal but it makes me sad.

Wow, this is the first that I've heard of this rule change. It makes me sad, because I have always been a fan of some number of Repeals in this deck, mostly for bouncing flipped Delvers but also for keeping up the blue card count for the sideboard Force of Wills that I have yet to abandon. Now I must find a suitable blue replacement for the maindeck. Stifle/Trickbind?

Is this rule change in effect right now or only when SoI gets released?

[MechTactical]

Yep, i've been finding Ostone a lackluster myself, pithing needle, phyrexian revoker or just abrupt decay. i still run one in the board for the eldrazi menace, but not sure i'm going to keep it in. Silent arbiter goes a long way in that match-up and several others -> elves and such things... i'm liking him more and more - tutorable, fits the curve, plays nicely with the new kozilek (when on rare occasions you get both on the field), chumps tarmo easily, bolt proof, abrupt proof, ... what's not to like about him?

[cherson]

Exactly. I changed an Oblivion Stone to an All is Dust after having too many Phyrexian Revokers neutralize my board wipes. All is Dust will always do what you want it to if it resolves, while Ugin and Stone do not.


I've never even seen that card before. Looks good, though. How much of a drawback do you think its inability to kill Mimics would be?

I do the same for the exact the same reasons. I currently play two ugin and one all is dust.

Concerning the Meek card, I couldn't test it so far but depending whether you are running top or not one should be enough, maybe two depending on how strong eldrazi will be in the near future.

[Postman]

impressive, my list is 95% identical. I suppose you lost with aggro loam 'cause he put chalice on turn 1/2.......
terminus is OP: 7 times over 10 saved my life, 2 times was useless, 1 I had no white mana to cast it. It's a solid confirmation.
Pacekeeper is very nice, but he is good only against infect.......he dies to bolt, decay, StP, everything......

Lost to aggro loam because almost every card in his deck is at least good against me Wasteland, Lilly, KotR, Decay, Chalice...Really don't like this MU.
Will have to work on the Elves MU as well. Reclamation Sage is not my best friend these days...How do other players fight Elves?

[Morden]

Lost to aggro loam because almost every card in his deck is at least good against me Wasteland, Lilly, KotR, Decay, Chalice...Really don't like this MU.
Will have to work on the Elves MU as well. Reclamation Sage is not my best friend these days...How do other players fight Elves?

I understand, Aggro Loam in general is a bad matchup.
elves is quite easy if you play ugw: mainboard I have 1 StP, 2 Swan Song (very very important also against combo, they are my only chance to win g1), 2 platinum emperion (yes, it dies to sage, but they have to find it or a GSZ, or waste a natural order....not the best card, but it gives you some turns), 3 terminus, 1 ugin (without wasteland is easy to have tons of fast mana).
Post side 1 glacial chasm, 2 trinisphere.