[Deck] Sneak and Show

[MGB]

Do you guys think this deck is well positioned in an open meta such as a GP or a SCG event?

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Not really now, if Lands, Miracles, and Eldrazi are going to be the top 3 most popular decks in the format. Especially once people figure out that the white splash is the best version of Eldrazi with multiple Karakas and Eldrazi Displacers.

[RhoxWarMonk]

Not really now, if Lands, Miracles, and Eldrazi are going to be the top 3 most popular decks in the format. Especially once people figure out that the white splash is the best version of Eldrazi with multiple Karakas and Eldrazi Displacers.

Is the Eldrazi deck even a good match up against sneak and show? Doesn't feel like it is but I haven't played against it yet myself..

Eldrazi displacer is an absolute beating of a card but I feel it causes the deck to lose consistency as well. Personally not convinced that's the right approach over the colorless build.

[Shamaatae]

Sorry if this has been discussed but what are your fav answers to containment priest and karakas?
should i just board in pyroclasm/kozileks return vs miracles?

is needle worth bringing in the sb? tsabo's web?

[genuine fugazi]

Against Priest you want to board in Sudden Shock. I don't think that Web or Blood Moon are worth bringing in against Miracles, I'd rather rely on having Sneak Attack with multiple red sources or EOT activation to push Emrakul through. Not sure about Pyroclasm, I think I'd bring it in if they play Mentor. If you run Fire // Ice in your deck, that's also pretty good, answers both Priest and Karakas.

[Ellomdian]

Sorry if this has been discussed but what are your fav answers to containment priest and karakas?
should i just board in pyroclasm/kozileks return vs miracles?

is needle worth bringing in the sb? tsabo's web?

I prefer to just acknowledge that the deck has a truly awful matchup against DnT, and to a lesser extent, Miracles Post-Board. If you can afford the slots, I have boarded Pyrohemia (Nice Mother of Runes, DO IT AGAIN) and Inferno Titan in rooms where I felt that there was going to be a large Mother/Mentor/Delver presence.

I like Needle in the SB, but I like general-purpose answers. Needle is going to be effective more often against Sensi's Top than Karakas, but I am certainly bringing in Needle against DnT (even if I am frequently naming Port and Wasteland first.)

[Shamaatae]

I prefer to just acknowledge that the deck has a truly awful matchup against DnT, and to a lesser extent, Miracles Post-Board. If you can afford the slots, I have boarded Pyrohemia (Nice Mother of Runes, DO IT AGAIN) and Inferno Titan in rooms where I felt that there was going to be a large Mother/Mentor/Delver presence.

I like Needle in the SB, but I like general-purpose answers. Needle is going to be effective more often against Sensi's Top than Karakas, but I am certainly bringing in Needle against DnT (even if I am frequently naming Port and Wasteland first.)

This is my last "big" local meta:

ANT x4
Elves x3
Infect x2
DNT x2
Grixis Delver
Esper Deathblade
Miracles
Burn
Reanimator
Dredge
Stiflenought
Lands
Tezzerator
Loam Pox

There's usually several BUG players but I guess none showed.

How would you sideboard?
lots of flustersstorms and sweepers seem good. sudden shock seems like almost a 2 of. 2 cages atleast. blood moon seem ok.

[wasabizod]

Not really now, if Lands, Miracles, and Eldrazi are going to be the top 3 most popular decks in the format. Especially once people figure out that the white splash is the best version of Eldrazi with multiple Karakas and Eldrazi Displacers.

Is it possible to run main deck blood moon as a hedge? I know it can hurt us since it turns off tomb and city, but it seems like that shuts down lands and eldrazi if you land it early, so it may be worth it. Granted it's not helpful against Miracles given the high number of basics.

[Tokugawa]

Is it possible to run main deck blood moon as a hedge? I know it can hurt us since it turns off tomb and city, but it seems like that shuts down lands and eldrazi if you land it early, so it may be worth it. Granted it's not helpful against Miracles given the high number of basics.

It depends on the % of the said decks in your metagame.

[neverhasit]

Gave Sneak and Show a spin at a weeknight LGS four rounder. Meta is fairly eldrazi, delver, + midrange trying to prey on those decks heavy (shardless, nic fit, loam, etc...)

Ran stock 51 w/ flex slots as:
4x spell pierce
2x preordain
1x gitaxian probe
1x jtms
1x misdirection

SB:
2x blood moon
1x grafdigger's cage
1x pithing needle
3x pyroclasm
1x boseiju
2x through the breach
1x wipe away
1x pyroblast
1x reb
1x flusterstorm
1x sudden shock

R1:
Newer eldrazi stompy player running chalice/trinisphere split.
G1 I mull to 5 and keep a hand with petal, land, snt, griselbrand. t1 Chalice, t2 trinisphere gets me in conjunction with not lucking into a land in top 3.
G2 He has another chalice->trinisphere start, but I have a 7 with 3 petals and a sneak attack that I get into play. I have no playable card selection and he hasn't developed his board, so I wait a turn to emrakul taking the risk on revoker, clear his board after that, and eventually draw into the second threat.
G3 he mulls to 5 and I have a reasonable draw.

Boarded -2 preordain, -1 probe, -1 misdirection, -2 spell pierce
+2 blood moon, +3 pyroclasm, +1 sudden shock

1-0 Matches 2-1 games

R2:
Reanimator (no green splash)
G1 He has a t2 tidespout and disruption and absolutely murders me.
G2 We get into an interesting board state where I have active griselbrand and he has an archon to stop attacks, I draw into wipe away and he tries to force it - so I point out split second. That's good enough and we go to G3.
G3 He mulls once and gets a fast griselbrand off of careful study reanimate after I force an entomb. I'm resource light and behind, so I go for one of the two show and tell I kept in to put Emrakul into play. He makes a bit of a play error and doesn't griselbrand in response - and ends up just putting in a land. On his turn he gets some cards with GB, tanks, chains cantrips, puts tidespout into play and then concedes. He thought that he couldn't target emrakul with the tidespout trigger. I feel a bit guilty about the win here, but I don't feel it's my responsibility to inform the opponent in that situation.

2-0 matches (probably should be 1-1) 4-2 games

SB: -2 preordain, -1 gitaxian probe, -2 show and tell, -1 mountain
+1 wipe away, + 1 grafdigger's cage, +1 flusterstorm, +1 reb, +1 pyroblast, +1 boseiju

Did not board differently on play vs. draw.

R3:
ANT
G1 We both keep 7 with me on the play. I keep a hand with petal, sneak, force + pierce, emrakul, lands. He has a slow cantrip heavy draw and I get there on turn 4.
G2 Opponent goes off after some early game therapy/counter posturing. One more force is enough to force him to warrens for 14 instead of go for the kill. I end up in a situation with sneak in play and 2 GB in hand where I can either go for the kill by digging 14 cards + cantrips deep for an Emrakul or pass and try to slow his clock by dropping another GB. After doing the combat math it doesn't actually slow the clock, so I put myself on a one turn clock digging and do not get there.
G3 T3 sneak -> GB to go to 25 life -> flash in another GB to answer going off on his turn -> t4 spaghetti is sufficient.

SB: -2 preordain, -1 misdirection, -1 gitaxian probe
+1 pyroclasm, +1 flusterstorm, +1 reb, +1 pyroblast.

3-0 matches, 6-3 games.

R4:
ID with opponent who wants to go home and playtest for a while instead of playing the match. I play 10 preboard games vs. a friend on grixis delver and we go 5-5. He won basically every game with a t1 delver and lost the others.

3-0-1

I was happy with the deck - skimming this thread was useful in putting it together and piloting it. I split between probe and preordain to try both and was MUCH happier with preordain.

One interesting question I have not resolved yet is when to force in order to delay a clock. From testing with the grixis player - I am thinking it makes sense to force a t1 delver when we're on the play and we did not cantrip t1 so as to have daze mana. We just have so much time if they do not stick that initial threat, and we can draw into lands to blank dazes. Not sure about this however.

I'm thinking to try out two izzet charm instead of the probe and a single spell pierce or the jace. Against all the delver lists having a card that eats a daze before we try to resolve our threat seems worth it, and sometimes it just puts them off a clock completely. Seems better than alternatives since it's still live against decks like ANT.

[JPA]

One interesting question I have not resolved yet is when to force in order to delay a clock. From testing with the grixis player - I am thinking it makes sense to force a t1 delver when we're on the play and we did not cantrip t1 so as to have daze mana. We just have so much time if they do not stick that initial threat, and we can draw into lands to blank dazes. Not sure about this however.

Congrats on the nice result!

Whether to FoW a clock or not is usually very difficult to assess correctly. In pre-board games I generally assume they have FoW+Daze to disrupt me, so if they start off with turn 1 Delver and I have an early daze-proof Show and Tell backed up by FoW, I'm obviously letting the Delver resolve.
If my hand is rather cantrip-heavy / slow or contains multiple enablers, it's often the right play to counter the early clock.

Post-board it's a different story, since they often board out some copies of creatures like Goyf (RUG and BUG), True-Name Nemesis (Grixis and BUG) or Nimble Mongoose (RUG), while we have removal/bounce to delay their clock. They also load up on hard-counters, requiring us to have maximum counter-backup for the combo-turn.
Still, there definitely are post-board scenarios where it's the correct play to FoW a threat, but it's impossible to give proper general advice on when to do that; it always depends on the situation.

[neverhasit]

What do you guys think about running 2x fire ice, 3x preordain, 4x spell pierce in the maindeck flex slots if I am expecting a lot of eldrazi, grixis and bug delver, loam, and d & t? Maybe 2x fire ice, 1x izzet charm, 3x preordain, 3x spell pierce instead?

The plan with fire ice vs. delver is to either draw a daze or force to clear the way for our business, or stop their clock in its tracks. Mountain + sol land has the nice property of blanking daze as well, so in a reasonably foreseeable nut upside scenario they have to force to stop you from doing something silly like nabbing yp and an unflipped delver. It also makes us even more oppressive against aggro loam and other gsz decks by giving us a way to clear teeg g1 when we only draw sneak, and d&t applications are pretty obvious.

Also thinking about 2 izzet charm since it is more live vs. random combo decks and miracles while still giving us interaction with delver, drs, and thalia.

[wolfstorm]

I would recommend trying out 2 omniscience in the main deck, they worked really well in Houston , in testing, and at weekly tournaments.

It makes show and tell and emrakul a stronger option and is great vs Karakas, endbringer, maze, Jace and removal on griselbrand.. It's also a nice feeling to be able to free cast anything in your library.

[Darksteel]

I would recommend trying out 2 omniscience in the main deck, they worked really well in Houston , in testing, and at weekly tournaments.

It makes show and tell and emrakul a stronger option and is great vs Karakas, endbringer, maze, Jace and removal on griselbrand.. It's also a nice feeling to be able to free cast anything in your library.

What did you cut for it? Probes and/or Preordain?

[Tokugawa]

Eldrazi is promoted to DTB, today.

Shave several(1-3) 1cmc spell, and add some...2cmc?

[grim confident]

Eldrazi is promoted to DTB, today.

Shave several(1-3) 1cmc spell, and add some...2cmc?

I think sneak and show is easier to win eldrazi deck than MUD or stax（cotv decks)

[Tokugawa]

I think sneak and show is easier to win eldrazi deck than MUD or stax（cotv decks)

Not easy when they splash W for Karakas and Eldrazi displacer.

Only good news for SnT players is: Eldrazi players are still arguing and arguing which configuration is the best.

[grim confident]

Not easy when they splash W for Karakas and Eldrazi displacer.

Only good news for SnT players is: Eldrazi players are still arguing and arguing which configuration is the best.

I need study more card.

[Daniel89]

Hello,

long time reader, first time writer.

I have seen some lists with Monastery Mentor (and Cavern of Souls) in SB. Example: http://www.mtgdecks.net/decks/view/602229

What do you think about this?

Regards,
Daniel

[JPA]

What do you think about this?

Goblin Rabblemaster does the same and you don't even have to butcher the manabase to play him.

[wolfstorm]

What did you cut for it? Probes and/or Preordain?

The two slots in my deck that would normally been a mix of either Preordain, Intuition or Misdirection. My list is on the last page if you want to see it.