I knew I was missing something obvious... thanks LewisCBR. 18 is likely just the most optimal setup, but I'm still going to move forward with testing Thought Scour.
Edit - tested Thought Scour off and on all day today and unfortunately it was just too low impact in a few games where I really needed early disruption. Sometimes it would really shine, but most of the time I just kept wishing it was Spell Pierce or some other form of interaction.
Back to 54 + 3 Spell Pierce, 2 Dismember, 1 V Clique
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Question for you guys: Do you generally prefer Null Rod or Pithing Needle in the sideboard?
The way I see it, I've got room for only one of them. Pithing Needle might be slightly more versatile in terms of targets because it can shutdown activated abilities of anything. If it resolves against a Deathrite Shaman deck, that is a huge advantage to us. Then again, Null Rod is strictly better if there's multiple artifact targets - Death and Taxes, MUD, etc. I recently swapped out the Null Rod in my board for a pithing needle because of the Eldrazi deck - no targets for Null Rod in there. Then last week I faced Death and Taxes, which, of course, has Aether Vials and a stone forge package - I needled the vials, and took the match, but I kinda missed the Null Rod.
Since I'm back and forth on this issue, I figured I'd ask you guys!
I prefer pithing needle. can stop everything null rod can (except for lotus petal and LED), plus sneak attack, mom, DRS, planeswalkers, LANDS, etc. Death and taxes is the only MU where I think I would want null rod, but even then, you should have cards like ancient grudge coming out the SB for their equipments and vials.Originally Posted by Drake0525
What's your plan against the Eldrazi Stompy deck? I havent found comfortable to play em yet.
This match-up is still extremely shaky. Part of the issue is, I've got a sideboard that deals with a lot of other top-tier decks, but there's hardly any room to run cards for this specific match-up. Torpor Orb would shut off Thought Knot Seer and Eldrazi Mimic, if I had room in the sideboard for it. Right now, it's not prevalent enough in my local metagame to justify cutting something like V-clique out of my sideboard for Torpor Orb.
That being said, I did face Eldrazi Aggro a couple weeks ago (match report is a page or 2 back on this thread), and I won the match 2-1. The best thing to do is end the games as fast as possible. They have bigger threats, and better inevitability than you do, but you have better card advantage and are more consistent than they are.
I sideboarded this way: -3x Stifle, +1 Sylvan Library, +1 V-Clique, +1 Krosan Grip. My sideboard has since been altered, so the current sideboard plan looks like this: -4 Stifle, +1 Sylvan Library, +1 V-Clique, +1 Ancient Grudge, +1 Rough//Tumble. Stifle does not do anything in this match-up. In game 1, wasteland is the best target for Stifle, although stifling TKS isn't too shabby. The Sylvan library gives you better card quality, but I don't recommend paying life to it unless your going to end the game that turn. Vendillion Clique can take threats from them before they hit the battlefield and increases your threat density, Ancient Grudge hits Chalice of the Void, and Rough//Tumble kills Eldrazi Mimic and Matter Reshaper. If you happen to have dismember in your sideboard, by all means bring those in, TKS and Reality Smasher are both very dangerous.
Now, during the games, I strongly advise bolting Eldrazi Mimic on sight. Mimic is dangerous, but it dies to Lightning Bolt. Wasteland Cavern of Souls so their threats can be countered. And obviously keep Chalice of the Void off the table. Most of all, establish board pressure and be relentless. If you still have lightning bolts in hand when the time is right, send the bolts at their face and get their life-total down. Put the game away as fast as possible.
It's a shaky match-up, but it is by no means hopeless. I hope this helps!
Drop a 5/6 goof in this match-up
Drop the forked bolts for 2 dismembers. Drop the submerges for 2 more dismembers.
You are game
I use Null Rod over Pithing Needle. Even though this deck is supposed to have a pretty good Storm matchup, i really like Rod against LED and Petal. Plus, it is useful against random decks like Grindstone Painter or if Counter/Top tried to side in the Helm/Rest in Peace combo. I cant think of too many instances where i'd rather have Needle, because things like Sneak Attack and Jace are late enough game that i'd rather rely on the mana denial.
She makes an interesting point, but does anyone else like this plan of dropping Submerges for Dismembers in the sideboard? I think it might be worth it actually. Dismember hits many of the same targets as submerge, but it can come in against decks like Grixis, which don't run green.
You think a woman can come up with that idea
You'd be surprised. But if I made an incorrect assumption based on your avatar, my apologies. The question still stands though.
Submerge has been a go-to sideboard card in this deck for a long time. Replacing it with Dismember is either madness or brilliance. I think it's worth testing, so I'll give it a shot this week.
I'm not sure that the deck can afford to be paying 4 life for removal more than once per game...twice at MOST
I cut one Submerge (still have 1 left) from my board a while ago, there arent many good targets in this meta, right now. RUG is not a very popular Delver variant, and the only other well played Goyf deck is maybe Shardless? At least online, i kept looking at the submerges taking up space in my side and kept wondering why... i might cut the 2nd, too, most times it rots in my hand and i cant think of one game in the last few months where it helped me win.
The only thing that it stops is a random knight of the reliquary.
Reliquary is certainly super annoying. The one turn reprieve you get with Submerge MIGHT be enough to win in some circumstances, but it still feels so fringe considering the last 100 matches or so i've played online, i'm not sure this situation has come up. Most of the time i find myself topping a DRS which barely slows anyone down. Because i'm not going to top an opposing Shardless or Strix, of course. There just arent a lot of good targets.
But then you get guys like this (http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/391414#online) who play 3 and 5-0 a league, so what the hell do i know, haha. Man, i just lost my 5-0 match for another 4-1. I think i've been 4-0 five times now and lost that 5th match every time.
Yayyyyy.... finally 5-0'd a league online with Thresh a little bit ago. Hopefully my list pops up tomorrow on MTG Goldfish, but it might not since it looks like they already published the 3/30 lists, weirdly. Unless the 3/30 lists are 3/29's 5-0's? Who knows how it works.
EDIT: Aww, yea http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/394401#online
I dont know why this was so important for me to do since there is, of course, insane variance in who you get matched up against, but it was a small goal of mine. I've probably played a match per day since Legacy Leagues started, slowly trying to get there. These leagues are hard, way harder than i expected. I guess i consider it validation that i can still hang in Legacy, after picking it back up from a 3-4 year break from the format.
RUG might not be the most popular Delver variant, but i sure as hell still have fun with it.
Last edited by LewisCBR; 03-31-2016 at 05:50 PM.
My 2 submerges have been sitting in my board for ages, surely the moment I remove them from the board I'll face Maverick/Jund/Infect first 3 rounds.
How'd the Tarfire work out for you?
I think it is just as effective as Forked Bolt, tbh, if not slightly better. I think it is imperative to have 6 burn spells that can take care of DRS in the main, and I very rarely get a sweet 2-for-1 with Forked Bolt. The instant speed is, of course, very nice. In fact, my winning turn on my 5th match was against Burn and i had a 4/5 goyf out with him at 7. I pondered into Tarfire, attacked, fire'd his face before damage, and won the match. :)
I'd imagine it could be very relevant. I'll have to try it out at my next weekly, it seems fun.
And the fact that it gets your goyfs bigger than anglers and smashers.
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