[Primer/Deck] Nic Fit

[Diogo37]

Yes he posted a report here.
Nice list. Great work.

Sorry for flooding
I have not seen it

[Bobmans]

I think this is my first time posting in the Nic Fit deck but I've been playing the deck for a while and took it to Channel Fireballs 3k event today.
My list

3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Path to Exile
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Deathrite Shaman
4 Veteran Explorer
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Dragonlord Dromoka
1 Glissa, the Traitor
4 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Cabal Therapy
2 Painful Truths
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Swamp
3 Forest
2 Plains
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Taiga
SB: 1 Krosan Grip
SB: 2 Golgari Charm
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Slaughter Games
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Toxic Deluge
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 Reclamation Sage
SB: 1 Chains of Mephistopheles

I believe we had 92 people today so 7 rounds of Swiss

R1: Shardless BUG 2-1

G1: My opponent leads on Delta into Visions suspend so I settle in for the long game. I manage to keep the board clean except for a strix but his Vision goes off and he rips liliana, hymn, abrupt decay, and goyf. GG.

G2: We trade resources and on the turn before I die and he's at 2, I know the top 2 are 2 lands, I top during upkeep to find the Green sun and Rhino him out.

G3: We trade resources, Chains was pretty beast. I have a rhino+ Dragonlord Dromoka vs his 7/8 goyf and he goes to race. I get him down to 2 and find another Green sun with top into Rhino.

R2: Doomsday 2-1

G1: I T1 DRS into T2 Painful truths into 3 lands while having paths and decay. I scoop to Doomsday+gitprobe

G2: I slaughter games his doomsday followed by a Teeg and when he kills the teeg, i recast slaughter games i had rebought with witness naming wish and he's dead. Also Therapy him into oblivion.

G3: I slaughter games his Burning Wish after therapying him into oblivion. he had no MB win condition GG.

R3: ANT 2-1

G1: I lose G1 fairly quickly to the typical ANT turn.

G2: Thoughtseize into therapy into pressure gets me there

G3: He miscounts after trying to go off T2 after i blind therapy hitting a Dark Ritual. I pressure and he dies.

R4: Food Chain 2-1

G1: I top into 4 GSZ into Sigarda+ 3Rhino while he has 4 Griffins on board.

G2: Griffin beats after slaughter games kills me

G3: I T3 Rhino into T4 Rhino into T5 Slaughter games

R5: Eldrazi 2-1 Win and In in a pair down

G1: double abrupt decay his chalices into path his smashers and therapy his TKS on T2. followed by Meren into DL Dromoka is good enough

G2: I keep a greedy 1 lander with 5 1 drops and get punished by a T1 chalice.

G3: I slam a T4 Glissa which buys me time for 2 Rhinos which i then Deluge the board leaving me with 2 rhinos and him with nothing but 2 Chalices and a Sphere.

R6: Miracles- 0-2. Can't double draw as its another pair down and theres waay too many 12 pointers to safely scoop it so i play.

G1: He had everything. JTMS with Force+counterspell backup

G2: 5 Rhinos cast arent enough. Moat is pretty good.

R7- Draw with Deathblade

Top 8- I'm 8th seed and I receive a Game loss for misregistering my deck. I go in blind and play vs Dredge. His dredges were awful and i manage to get an ooze down to get me there. I lose G3 to his nutter draw on the play.GG

Going forward, I'd move the Glissa to the board and play something else. Deck felt great and killing people with standard cards were the best.

Here it is :-)

[Diogo37]

Nice reported
Great Job man

[Echelon]

It makes me happy to see Glissa popping up all over the place.

Speaking of which - I find myself on the horns of a Rhino... uhm... conundrum.

There's too much stuff I want to run and only so few tournaments to try them out in.

This part is pretty much set in stone:
21 lands
1 Dryad Arbor

4 Cabal Therapy
4 Path to Exile
3 Pernicious Deed

4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Painful Truths
2 Diabolic Intent (Yes, 2)

4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman (The third one is optional)
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
4 Siege Rhino
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Sigarda

So that's the first 55.

Now, for the flex part here are the things I want to be doing:
1 Wood Elves (Rebecca Guay version, yay)
1 Qasali Pridemage (Just received the FNM version yesterday)
1 Fierce Empath
1 Karador, Ghost Chieftain
1 Sun Titan (Prerelease version. The other alternate art version is so ugly)

That's pretty much the "live long and be prosperous" package. Power out lands, establish the Deed lock, start an Eternal Witness loop, etc.

Then there's:
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Glissa, the Traitor (The prerelease version looks so much better than the regular one)
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg/Deathrite Shaman
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis

I.e. "I'm actually trying to adapt to my bad MUs a little". Courser helps with Burn and progression in general, Glissa solves combat, Pridemage handles opposing lockpieces, Gaddock Teeg might let you steal G1 vs. ANT/TES, Sorin is a wincon on his own that's actually good vs. Miracles.

And there's:
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Fierce Empath
1 Karador, Ghost Chieftain
1 Dragonlord Dromoka
1 Qasali Pridemage/Glissa, the Traitor/Deathrite Shaman

I.e. "what I always run". Recur some, wreck some, Leeroy Jenkins that Dromoka.

What do you guys think of the various packages? Which would be best suited for my meta/would you run if forced to?

In my meta I can expect the following for any given Monthly:
1/2 Miracles
1-3 ANT/TES (one of which being Jamie Westlake)
0/1 MUD
0-2 Eldrazi
1/2 Grixis Delver
2/3 BUG Delver
0-1 RUG Delver
0-1 UWR Delver
0-1 UW Delver Control
1/2 Shardless BUG
0/1 D&T
0/1 Dredge
0/1 Goblins
1/2 Sneak & Show
1/2 Esper Deathblade
1/2 Burn
1/2 Elves!
0-2 Lands
0/1 UR Delver
0/1 Merfolk
1/2 Nic Fit (one of which being me)
0/1 Maverick
0/1 the village idiot and whatever he came up with during the week

[TTX]

+3 SDT
+1 Sorin
+1 Qasali Pridemage


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[Warden]

@Echelon: How do you win without Decays? It's beyond security blanket material for me...and it also does SO MUCH.

[BeforeMemory]

Is there any consensus as to whether Path to Exile or Swords to Plowshares is better?
Does it mostly depend on how many basics we expect our opponents to have?
I feel like Swords to Plowshares is more consistent, but when Path to Exile is good, its better.

[Warden]

Is there any consensus as to whether Path to Exile or Swords to Plowshares is better?
Does it mostly depend on how many basics we expect our opponents to have?
I feel like Swords to Plowshares is more consistent, but when Path to Exile is good, its better.

The effect of "exile a problematic creature" is identical. But path is basically "more aggro". It's easier to close out games by giving your opponent a basic land (if they even run them + have any remaining after veteran trigger(s)) instead of X life. Path can also be used against yourself to ramp -- and I've had this come up in competition before. Basically nerf their removal spell by path-ing it in response to get another land + library shuffle effect.

Swords is arguably "more defensive". When used against the opponent, you're giving them additional HP. This could be interpreted as working "against" your beatdown plan. But if you need to shoot your own guy for life (see: burn, other fringe situations), this is something path to exile doesn't offer.

Nic Fit doesn't give a shit about giving everyone lands. See veteran explorer. Your stuff is generally bigger than theirs. By contrast, a deck like Maverick runs "mana denial" as a core strategy. That's why you'll find Maverick running STP instead (plus KotR can eventually 2-hit the opponent, so giving the opponent additional life is whatever).

*This is a good question to ask because I used to run STP when I first saw the the scriptures of Lord Rhino.
When I converted over to Path, I found myself winning more. The results of [swords or path could be played] became more apparent. I was closing out games I'd otherwise tie/not guarantee a win.

[Bobmans]

Sword to Plowshares might as well read: "Exile target creature, your opponent gains more turns."
Squeezing thru every point of life is essential, especially against decks with a high velocity (Reanimator, Elves, MUD, Lands, Dredge), giving them a couple extra turns is very problematic. Path to Exile giving them basics, next to Veteran Explorer is in many, if not all, situations not really an issue.

[ShadowKramer]

Hey everyone, I have been swayed over to our lord and savior, Siege Rhino and have been putting together the abzan version of Nic Fit. I have a link to my deck list in my signature and would appreciate thoughts on the build I have put together. I am just getting into legacy again after a long break so I don't know what the meta is like yet.
Thanks

[sdematt]

Hey everyone, I have been swayed over to our lord and savior, Siege Rhino and have been putting together the abzan version of Nic Fit. I have a link to my deck list in my signature and would appreciate thoughts on the build I have put together. I am just getting into legacy again after a long break so I don't know what the meta is like yet.
Thanks

Run 2 phyrexian tower and thank us later. If at 60, run an Intent to grab Grave Titan. Otherwise, solid.

[Hmmm_Really?]

Hey everyone, I have been swayed over to our lord and savior, Siege Rhino and have been putting together the abzan version of Nic Fit. I have a link to my deck list in my signature and would appreciate thoughts on the build I have put together. I am just getting into legacy again after a long break so I don't know what the meta is like yet.
Thanks

Why no Sigarda?

[ironclad8690]

Hey everyone, I have been swayed over to our lord and savior, Siege Rhino and have been putting together the abzan version of Nic Fit. I have a link to my deck list in my signature and would appreciate thoughts on the build I have put together. I am just getting into legacy again after a long break so I don't know what the meta is like yet.
Thanks

I have never liked Liliana of the Veil in the Junk build, your cards in hand are always superior to your opponents.

I might replace the 2 slots with 1 Sigarda and 1 Thragtusk.

[Jain_Mor]

For me one of the main interactions not mentioned that has won me a lot of games is path to exiling a Marit Lage token. Deck usually banks on gaining 20 life when that damn thing is removed, just getting rid of it and then killing them in the next turn or two has won me quite a few games against the various decks that run dark depths.

[ShadowKramer]

Why no Sigarda?

Simple answer is I don't currently have one. I will make adjustments to the list after I get a feel of what the meta is like in my area, but since I have an intent lying around I will find room for it.

[Tao]

Run 2 phyrexian tower and thank us later. If at 60, run an Intent to grab Grave Titan. Otherwise, solid.

Are you guys advocating to run 61 cards now?

[sdematt]

Are you guys advocating to run 61 cards now?

You guys, or me? I'm more than happy to explain for the 2^32nd time why I'm fine with 61 in this deck.

[Tao]

You guys, or me? I'm more than happy to explain for the 2^32nd time why I'm fine with 61 in this deck.

Usually when people see a 61 card deck they try to figure out what they can cut to improve the deck. But fine, if you want to accept a minor disadvantage for your deck, that is ok. I have given up on that discussion.
But turning it around, to advice adding a card when you see a list with 60 cards, is odd.

[Jain_Mor]

Usually when people see a 61 card deck they try to figure out what they can cut to improve the deck. But fine, if you want to accept a minor disadvantage for your deck, that is ok. I have given up on that discussion.
But turning it around, to advice adding a card when you see a list with 60 cards, is odd.

I bet Ben Rubin's 64 card GP Top 8ing standard deck keeps you up at night ;)

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles...ate-2016-01-11

[sdematt]

Usually when people see a 61 card deck they try to figure out what they can cut to improve the deck. But fine, if you want to accept a minor disadvantage for your deck, that is ok. I have given up on that discussion.
But turning it around, to advice adding a card when you see a list with 60 cards, is odd.

Fair points. Either way, he needs an Intent if he is having to play Grave Titan, so he needs to find a cut otherwise. I hate Nissa, so that could be your cut.