[Primer] R/G Lands

[The_Dingo]

This morning I had an idea to take the deck from Jund colours to Naya colours. Why Naya? What do we get? We get Gaddock Teeg and Stoneforge Mystic. Don't get me wrong, Titan is still king but it might be a worthwhile test.

In a few minutes I brewed up this. I have no idea how it'll work but here it is.

4 Gamble
4 Life from the Loam
4 Exploration
4 Mox Diamond
3 Crop Rotation
3 Punishing Fire
2 Knight of the Reliquary

4 Grove of the Burnwillows
2 Savannah
2 Taiga
4 Thespian's Stage
3 Dark Depths
3 Maze of Ith
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
4 Rishadan Port
1 Karakas
1 Bojuka Bog
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Glacial Chasm
2 Tranquil Thicket
1 Riftstone Portal

SB:
2 Gaddock Teeg
2 Batterskull
3 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Pithing Needle
4 Krosan Grip

Why thorn over thalia?

[barcode]

Why thorn over thalia?

Holy crap, of course! That's way better. Thanks, no excuse for the brain fart.

[gigapatrick]

Maybe we can convince @gigapatrick to do a video splashing black?

I've done two sets of black-splash videos, one featuring a list very similar to Long's Vortex list and one featuring both Abrupt Decay and Punishing Fire. Went 5-0 with Long's list, and 4-1 with my own. Will most likely do another set of black-splash videos, but right now I'm working on an RG build with Prime Time. As soon as I'm done with the current set, I'll record the black-splash. You guys wanna see Long's Vortex list or a P-Fire-Decay build?

P.S. Might have to wait until the Legacy League reopens (which I sincerely hope happens) since I'm only able to record one set a week.

[CovenantElite30]

I've done two sets of black-splash videos, one featuring a list very similar to Long's Vortex list and one featuring both Abrupt Decay and Punishing Fire. Went 5-0 with Long's list, and 4-1 with my own. Will most likely do another set of black-splash videos, but right now I'm working on an RG build with Prime Time. As soon as I'm done with the current set, I'll record the black-splash. You guys wanna see Long's Vortex list or a P-Fire-Decay build?

P.S. Might have to wait until the Legacy League reopens (which I sincerely hope happens) since I'm only able to record one set a week.

Any way we can convince you to do a combined build of Vortex/P-Fire/Decay in the main?

[Crimhead]

They are both cards that need another card to work, PFire/Grove and Vortex/loam...

...But if you don't have loam, you're pitching lands that you might play in the next turns (kind of dissynergic with the plan to develop your board with control- and combopieces)

True that Vortex greatly prefers a Loam online, but Bob or Library do a good job ofchelpingbto find less valuable landsxas well as compensating for the loss of resources.

This is not a small detail - working through graveyard hate is a definite plus for Vortex, and something it does that PF does not.

[The_Dingo]

I've done two sets of black-splash videos, one featuring a list very similar to Long's Vortex list and one featuring both Abrupt Decay and Punishing Fire. Went 5-0 with Long's list, and 4-1 with my own. Will most likely do another set of black-splash videos, but right now I'm working on an RG build with Prime Time. As soon as I'm done with the current set, I'll record the black-splash. You guys wanna see Long's Vortex list or a P-Fire-Decay build?

P.S. Might have to wait until the Legacy League reopens (which I sincerely hope happens) since I'm only able to record one set a week.

I've been messing with RGb with decays and p fires as well. I'm not a fan of the main deck vortex, and I'd rather play an unstable manabase with p fire, than a stable one without.

1 vote for a RGb decay, p fire

[filln]

I've been messing with RGb with decays and p fires as well. I'm not a fan of the main deck vortex, and I'd rather play an unstable manabase with p fire, than a stable one without.

1 vote for a RGb decay, p fire

I've also been on the RGb with Punishing Fire and would vote for that. Thanks for all the videos, Patrick. Looking forward to seeing some with Primetime in action too.

[Emrakul503]

@covenantelite30 I really like the black splash too. I was able to fight through a mb Back to Basics, as well as getting rid of Deathrite Shamans. I think it's totally worth it, if you can afford the Bayou(s). I like the idea of a split, my buddy, who is on RG lands, is running some combination of both. I don't think we should dip below 34 lands, ideally 35 is the right place to be. I would say drop the 4th Crop Rotation for sure, and possibly the 3rd Punishing Fire for a 2/2 split. I think that is definitely worth testing, as getting Punishing Fire Surgically Extracted twice last night really slowed things down.

@barcode Glad to see people are brewing with the list! The one thing I think our deck has going for it, is more or less blanking mainboard removal from our opponents. I think Knight of the Reliquary can be an incredibly powerful tool, but may be best at home in the side board. That said, it does look like your SB is already pretty packed with a Stoneforge Mystic Package, so maybe not. I would love to hear how testing goes with this! I think the SFM package could become a couple of Path to Exiles/Swords to Plowshires, 2x Sylvan Library and some Thalia's.

[gigapatrick]

Any way we can convince you to do a combined build of Vortex/P-Fire/Decay in the main?

Give me the 75 you want me to play, and we'll see what I can do.

[barcode]

@barcode Glad to see people are brewing with the list! The one thing I think our deck has going for it, is more or less blanking mainboard removal from our opponents. I think Knight of the Reliquary can be an incredibly powerful tool, but may be best at home in the side board. That said, it does look like your SB is already pretty packed with a Stoneforge Mystic Package, so maybe not. I would love to hear how testing goes with this! I think the SFM package could become a couple of Path to Exiles/Swords to Plowshires, 2x Sylvan Library and some Thalia's.

If I were a smart person I would have made the changes before FNM tonight, but oops.

I constantly brew with this shell. Look back over the last 60 pages or so and you'll see the sad evidence. :)

[Dice_Box]

Barcode brewing:

"Ok, I have these Primeval Titans, what else can I put in this deck?"

[barcode]

Barcode brewing:

"Ok, I have these Primeval Titans, what else can I put in this deck?"

I had one which had a sideboard full of high impact creatures, 4 Primeval Titan, 4 Inferno Titan and some other random creatures. I liked that standard format.

[CovenantElite30]

@covenantelite30 I really like the black splash too. I was able to fight through a mb Back to Basics, as well as getting rid of Deathrite Shamans. I think it's totally worth it, if you can afford the Bayou(s). I like the idea of a split, my buddy, who is on RG lands, is running some combination of both. I don't think we should dip below 34 lands, ideally 35 is the right place to be. I would say drop the 4th Crop Rotation for sure, and possibly the 3rd Punishing Fire for a 2/2 split. I think that is definitely worth testing, as getting Punishing Fire Surgically Extracted twice last night really slowed things down.

@barcode Glad to see people are brewing with the list! The one thing I think our deck has going for it, is more or less blanking mainboard removal from our opponents. I think Knight of the Reliquary can be an incredibly powerful tool, but may be best at home in the side board. That said, it does look like your SB is already pretty packed with a Stoneforge Mystic Package, so maybe not. I would love to hear how testing goes with this! I think the SFM package could become a couple of Path to Exiles/Swords to Plowshires, 2x Sylvan Library and some Thalia's.

Do you think you could get that list from your buddy that plays both vortex and P-fire / Decay main?

@gigapatrick I would use that list for your testing.

The list I put together hasn't been tested and probably needs a bit more lands in it.

I think 4 Maze's is too much probably cut it to 3.

Tranquil Thicket is really important, would add another.

Lastly I think Glacial Chasm is a must in any lands list, so I would add one of those.

Would probably take out a Punishing fire for the Glacial Chasm and have a 2/2 split with Vortex and Punishing Fire.

Instants [7]
2 Abrupt Decay
3 Punishing Fire
4 Crop Rotation

Sorceries [8]
4 Gamble
4 Life from the Loam

Enchantments [8]
2 Molten Vortex
4 Exploration

Artifacts [4]
4 Mox Diamond

Lands [33]
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Forest
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Misty Rainforest
1 The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale
1 Tranquil Thicket
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
2 Taiga
3 Dark Depths
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
4 Maze of Ith
4 Rishadan Port
4 Thespian's Stage
4 Wasteland

SB:
3 Choke
1 Karakas
1 Abrupt Decay
3 Krosan Grip
2 Nissa, Worldwaker
3 Pithing Needle
1 Surgical Extraction

[Chatto]

@ CovenantElite30: am I missing something? No Bayou? That's pretty bold, to say the least. No Chasm somewhere in your 75? Four Mazes? Or is this someone else's list?

@ Rivfader: I got your massage. I haven't got time to answer yet, and Dutch is no problem (het is zelfs makkelijker )

[Emrakul503]

@CovenantElite30 I will get him to post his list sometime tonight! There were some good discussions on this topic over in the RUG lands thread that might be worth taking a look at.

[CovenantElite30]

@ CovenantElite30: am I missing something? No Bayou? That's pretty bold, to say the least. No Chasm somewhere in your 75? Four Mazes? Or is this someone else's list?

@ Rivfader: I got your massage. I haven't got time to answer yet, and Dutch is no problem (het is zelfs makkelijker )

That was just a list I found online. It needs work.

I've done two sets of black-splash videos, one featuring a list very similar to Long's Vortex list and one featuring both Abrupt Decay and Punishing Fire. Went 5-0 with Long's list, and 4-1 with my own. Will most likely do another set of black-splash videos, but right now I'm working on an RG build with Prime Time. As soon as I'm done with the current set, I'll record the black-splash. You guys wanna see Long's Vortex list or a P-Fire-Decay build?

P.S. Might have to wait until the Legacy League reopens (which I sincerely hope happens) since I'm only able to record one set a week.

Can you post that list that plays p-fire and decay?

After playing tonight at my local fnm I've come to the conclusion that vortex is just bad in my local meta. I had a guy play magus of the moon and it complete destroyed the deck. I had the loam in the yard, wasn't doing me any good as I now had to draw my vortex to kill this annoying creature. The guy was on RW death and taxes. I lost both games to that card. What destroyed me really bad the second game was ratchet bomb. I had exploration and vortex in play and he basically destroyed my board. This is where I could see punishing fire much better. You guys have any suggestions on how to handle these death and taxes decks? There were 3 tonight. I feel like the lands combo to create a token is just bad especially when they have like 7 cards main that can deal with the token. I had my opponent game 1 bounce my token with a flickerwhisp followed up by a magus.

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[Chatto]

Ahaa! It sure does need some work. It was the way you presented the list that confused me

Wr DnT is a bad MU in my book. I had the pleasure to ran into them just once while I was on straight RG. Take care of Vial (especially on three), keep PuFi for Magus, and most of all don't let the game drag on. Easier said than done, and not much of help, but I tend to see this build as particular bad.

I would think that no Vortex RGb (that's what I'm trying at the moment) would give you more fighting chance with Abrupt Decay and PuFi main, and discard and K-Grip in the SB.

[CovenantElite30]

Ahaa! It sure does need some work. It was the way you presented the list that confused me
Wr DnT is a bad MU in my book. I had the pleasure to ran into them just once while I was on straight RG. Take care of Vial (especially on three), keep PuFi for Magus, and most of all don't let the game drag on. Easier said than done, and not much of help, but I tend to see this build as particular bad.

I would think that no Vortex RGb (that's what I'm trying at the moment) would give you more fighting chance with Abrupt Decay and PuFi main, and discard and K-Grip in the SB.

If you dont mind posting your list I'll give it a try.

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[gigapatrick]

That was just a list I found online. It needs work.



Can you post that list that plays p-fire and decay?

This is what I played:

4 Mox Diamond
4 Exploration
4 Gamble
4 Crop Rotation
4 Life from the Loam
3 Punishing Fire
3 Abrupt Decay

5 Fetch
4 Thespian's Stage
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
4 Dark Depths
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Maze of Ith
2 Taiga
2 Bayou
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Tabernacle
1 Forest

Board:

4 Thoughtseize
2 Duress
2 Slaughter Games
3 Sylvan Library
2 K-Grip
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Bojuka Bog

Couldn't figure out how to splash black, keep P-Fire in the deck, and keep Thickets in the deck. Decided to cut Thickets. Went 4-1 so it couldn't have been that stupid.

[CovenantElite30]

This is what I played:

4 Mox Diamond
4 Exploration
4 Gamble
4 Crop Rotation
4 Life from the Loam
3 Punishing Fire
3 Abrupt Decay

5 Fetch
4 Thespian's Stage
4 Rishadan Port
4 Wasteland
4 Dark Depths
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Maze of Ith
2 Taiga
2 Bayou
1 Glacial Chasm
1 Tabernacle
1 Forest

Board:

4 Thoughtseize
2 Duress
2 Slaughter Games
3 Sylvan Library
2 K-Grip
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Bojuka Bog

Couldn't figure out how to splash black, keep P-Fire in the deck, and keep Thickets in the deck. Decided to cut Thickets. Went 4-1 so it couldn't have been that stupid.

I like it!

Here's a probably dumb question.

Why do some decks play 4 dark depths main and some play 3?

Dark depths not being able to tap for mana I would think 3 would be good?

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